leov
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Nothing's new , knee jerk to literal reading...
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God and homosexuality.
- Thread starter leov
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Rather like the literal meaning of Leviticus 20 13 is commonly used to explain that God hates F*gs.
If you think that believing what the Bible says is a problem, then why don't you take Christian people up on that? Why don't you tell Christian people that they're wrong to believe what the Bible clearly says?
Why do you put so much effort into telling me that I'm wrong for believing that God meant what He said in the Bible?
Tom
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Yes, I am. That's how I know that there have been far more deadly STD's spread among heterosexuals than homosexuals. Are YOU capable of adding 2 + 2?
leov
Well-Known Member
I am a Gnostic Christian, my interpretations , or most of them, would be heresy for the main stream Christianity which is literal readers.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Comparative prevalence rates of sexually transmitted diseases in heterosexual and homosexual men. - PubMed - NCBI
Overall, homosexual men were significantly (p < 0.001) more likely than heterosexual men to have gonorrhea (30.31% vs. 19.83%), early syphilis (1.08% vs. 0.34%) and anal warts (2.90% vs. 0.26%) but less likely to have nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) (14.63% vs. 36.40%, p < 0.001), herpes genitalis (0.93% vs. 3.65%, p < 0.001), pediculosis pubis (4.30% vs. 5.35%, p < 0.005), scabies (0.42% vs. 0.76%, p < 0.02), and genital warts (1.68% vs. 6.69%, p < 0.001).
Following your logic, if HIV being easily transmitted through anal sex (and homosexuals, for obvious reasons will have more anal sex, off course) is the reason why god doesn't like it....
Then why are all the STDs in bold above, which are more easily transmitted through heterosexual intercourse, then not a reason not to like hetero sex either to the same extent?
In fact........................ why did your god even create these STDs in the first place?
If he wanted us to not enjoy sex and to not engage in it unless it's for procreation, then perhaps he shouldn't have given us the ability to orgasm.
In fact................ if god doesn't like homosexuality, then why create humans (or most other animals, for that matter) in such a way that being a homosexual is even within the spectrum of biological possibilities???
Your argument falls flat on its face. Sooner or later in your "defense", your hand will be forced and you'll necessarily have to retreat in either an argument from authority or special pleading if you wish to stick to your position.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Could you elaborate on this as I don't understand what you mean by the latter part of the sentence?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Then it was pretty stupid of him to create deseases....
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Frankly, I'm not into proving much of anything along these lines. However, for at least some clarification, maybe read "My Faith Statement" at the bottom of my posts.
So, the large majority of Christians think you're a heretic.
One of things I have noticed over my lifetime.
Christianity has no real meaning. It's just whatever some human who claims to be a Christian believes.
Could be almost anything.
Tom
leov
Well-Known Member
That is not what I am trying to convey, just that God wanted to protect physical and mental health of upcoming generations.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
And out of the seed, came gay people.
leov
Well-Known Member
Good and evil too.
leov
Well-Known Member
It is not like this in Gnostic community, faith is a start knowledge is continuation, continuation was abolished soon after Pail.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Where did you same him claiming he knows that?
How is this relevant?
Well, people certainly don't "choose" their sexuality.
Gay people are just gay. It's not a choice.
If you, honestly, feel like you CAN choose to find same-gender sex attractive and interesting and arousing.... then I got news for you....
There is pretty much consensus that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice but rather a matter of biological makeup. That the underlying actual biological explanation is unclear at this point, is not a problem to come to that conclusion. Choice has been ruled out by just about all proper studies.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Then I have no idea what you are trying to convey....
I mean... an OP with just one line and a link. The line basically reads "here's why god doesn't like gays", and the link goes to an article talking about HIV infection as a result of gay sex.
What else could you be trying to convey, other then "HIV is bad and gay sex allows for infection therefor gay sex is bad"?
I don't see, at all, how that ties into the article linked as the article isn't dealing with mental health at all... but, in fact, rather with how social taboo and religious homophobic oppresions is enabling a rapid spread of HIV because there is no help and education possible, because it is considered criminal behaviour.
It seems to me that if God wanted to protect "physical and mental health", he'ld hold the exact opposite position concerning homosexuality... He wouldn't push it into a criminal box and thereby force gay people to live in the shadow, under the radar, without safety net, in constant fear of being discovered, with no hopes for the future of being able to enjoy a loving relationship with someone and live your life and instead having to constantly watch what you say, how you act, what you stare at, etc etc etc.
Gay people all over the world are suffering, not because they are gay, but because they live in societies that are engulfed in homophobia with religious underpinnings, endorsed, nay - commanded, by the gods those societies believe in.
Indeed.... if god cared about physical and mental help, he'ld do the exact oppsite of THIS.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Exactly, so really, this God is ultimately responsible for everything - including the evil in the world and the sexual orientation of individual humans.
So he only has himself to blame.
I'm remind of the Hitch and his famous saying about this god character: "Created sick and commanded to be well".
So, why would I believe that you know more about Christianity or God or anything like that than I do?
Because you don't know what Christianity really means, but I don't know anything?
Seriously.
You've said enough things that I know aren't true to lose any credibility concerning your implausible assertions.
Tom
So why didn't God say anything about condoms or penicillin or aspirin or......
Actually, I already know. Because there is no God who cares about anything, much less what humans do or believe or what happens to them.
Tom
shmogie
Well-Known Member
If there is a scientific consensus, then it must be based upon scientific fact, not political talking points.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Nothing that ugly, bigoted site has to say is even a little accurate. Nothing.
If Conservapedia said the sun comes up in the East? I would likely have to stay up all night, just in case-- that is how bad they are.