Ok, but can you explain who was here on earth, before Adam and Eve were created?
Since Adam and his wife were the first humans....no one was here before they were created.....
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Ok, but can you explain who was here on earth, before Adam and Eve were created?
Since Adam and his wife were the first humans....no one was here before they were created.....
The original serpent was never cast out from heaven for rebellion. It was a beast of the field that could speak and was punished to spend the rest if its days on its belly eating dirt.Since Adam and his wife were the first humans....no one was here before they were created.....
Adam and Eve were not the first humans, theres the six day creation of male and female.
The first male and female were created on the six day. Genesis 1:26-27-31.
Then God rested on the 7th day, Genesis 2:2
And then on the next day, God created Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:6-15.
The original serpent was never cast out from heaven for rebellion. It was a beast of the field that could speak and was punished to spend the rest if its days on its belly eating dirt.
The serpent is now a symbol of the lust of the flesh because that is what caused Adam and Eve to disobey God and eat the forbidden fruit.
Eve saw that the fruit was PLEASANT to the EYES (lust of the eyes), Good for FOOD(lust of the flesh) DESIRED to make one wise, to be as gods (pride of life).
There is no need for your imaginary Satan and devil because ALL sin and death is attributed to the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life.
Jesus called Judas a devil because Judas betrayed Jesus for money.
Jesus called Peter Satan because Peter was savoring the things of man rather than God when Peter tried to stop Jesus from going to Jerusalem to suffer and die.
The Jews correctly identify the serpent in the garden as man's evil inclination. They call man's evil heart the Yetzar Hara.
And Jeremiah says that ABOVE ALL THINGS the heart of man is evil and desperately wicked.
Your imaginary devil has nothing on man's evil heart because it is evil beyond ALL things.
Funny, that's not what Genesis says at all.....nor is it in line with the theme of the whole Bible....which is the whole reason why Jesus came to undo what Adam did to his children. (Romans 5:12)
God created the first humans at the end of the 6th day and then rested from his creative works...but there is nothing in the Bible to indicate that the 7th day has ended. The apostle Paul spoke about Israel not entering into God's rest because of their disobedience.....
"Therefore, just as the holy spirit says, “Today if you listen to his voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as on the occasion of provoking to bitter anger, as in the day of testing in the wilderness, 9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” (Hebrews 3:7-11)
If Christians follow their example, they will not enter into God's rest either. That 7th day ends with the 1,000 year reign of God's Kingdom under Christ as Mediator, with a complete reconciliation with the Father.
You don't think that the creative "days" were only 24 hours long surely? That would make God a magician, not a Creator.
Let's examine your statements here.....
The Revelation clearly describes the serpent as satan the devil. It also mentions his "angels". Are you arguing with scripture? (Revelation 12:7-12) Or just the parts that disagree with your interpretation?
Adam and his wife had no "lust of the flesh" before sin entered into their lives. It was that the fruit looked delicious and it probably piqued her curiosity about its flavor since it was the only tree that God denied access to. ...she was human with taste buds and designed to enjoy the food that God provided for them....made all the more tempting because the devil removed the penalty, telling her she would not die.
The devil was in the garden but it was not the serpent creature. The serpent merely represents the lust of the flesh which caused Adam to sin. So, the serpent is lust that would disobey God for personal gain. Everyone has a devil in them.
And when Jesus overcame the world and it's lust the devil was destroyed in his own human flesh.
Hebrews 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil),
Now the one you holds the power of death is SIN. It was Adam's SIN that brought death into the world.And everyone sins when they are drawn away and enticed by their OWN LUST or desires.
James 1:13-15
You really need much more intelligent reading son.
So Adam sinned even before he had desires or lust of the flesh? NONSENSE! Absurdity!
Eve had desire or lust (same thing) for the fruit before she ate which clearly shows she had lust of the flesh.
Paul calls Adam the natural man made from dirt (earth) and that natural man can not inherit the kingdom of God. Adam was the natural man or earthy man right from his creation.
Sorry friend but there is no need from your imaginary devil
You really need much more intelligent reading son.
Here is what I’ve come to appreciate in my professional study:Here is what I have come to appreciate in my studies.....
The Bible presents one story from Genesis to Revelation.....what we lost in the beginning is restored at the end.....yet so many people do not connect all the dots
What is “the whole book?” Is it 66 books? Or does it contain the 81 books of the Ethiopian canon? Does it include Thomas? Does it contain other fragmentary documents?Both are complementary because all are contained in one 'library'.....we need the whole book
Yeah. You can (and should).You cannot understand the Greek scriptures without the Hebrew scriptures
Funny, that's not what Genesis says at all.....nor is it in line with the theme of the whole Bible....which is the whole reason why Jesus came to undo what Adam did to his children. (Romans 5:12)
God created the first humans at the end of the 6th day and then rested from his creative works...but there is nothing in the Bible to indicate that the 7th day has ended. The apostle Paul spoke about Israel not entering into God's rest because of their disobedience.....
"Therefore, just as the holy spirit says, “Today if you listen to his voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as on the occasion of provoking to bitter anger, as in the day of testing in the wilderness, 9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” (Hebrews 3:7-11)
If Christians follow their example, they will not enter into God's rest either. That 7th day ends with the 1,000 year reign of God's Kingdom under Christ as Mediator, with a complete reconciliation with the Father.
You don't think that the creative "days" were only 24 hours long surely? That would make God a magician, not a Creator.
Here is what I’ve come to appreciate in my professional study:
The Bible presents us with a range of different stories, written across a large span of time by people of many perspectives and backgrounds, and in a couple of ancient languages. Each story must stand alone, if we’re to arrive at a pure exegetical treatment of each. Yet so many people don’t understand this.
What is “the whole book?” Is it 66 books? Or does it contain the 81 books of the Ethiopian canon? Does it include Thomas? Does it contain other fragmentary documents?
Yeah. You can (and should).
Here is what I’ve come to appreciate in my professional study:
The Bible presents us with a range of different stories, written across a large span of time by people of many perspectives and backgrounds, and in a couple of ancient languages. Each story must stand alone, if we’re to arrive at a pure exegetical treatment of each. Yet so many people don’t understand this.
What is “the whole book?” Is it 66 books? Or does it contain the 81 books of the Ethiopian canon? Does it include Thomas? Does it contain other fragmentary documents?
Yeah. You can (and should).
Where do you think the book of Genesis came from?
From God. Where else do you think God's word would come from? The human secretary was Moses.
What is the purpose of your constant disputes over the origins and writers of scripture? They accomplish what IYO? Faith or unbelief? What are you promoting except discord and undermining faith in God's word? Your comments are destructive to the faith you espouse IMO.
Genesis wasn't written until 800-900 years after Moses.
I love the way you make statements like that without a single shred of evidence to back it up except your ideas which I am sure are not yours originally anyway....who on earth (or elsewhere) are you listening to?
Don't you just love how the self righteousness just oozes out as those little snide jabs and cheap shots about other Christians.Oh there's ample evidence.. Genesis was written after the Babylonian exile. The truth won't affect Jehovah's Witnesses.
Says he making "snide jabs and cheap shots about other Christians"....Don't you just love how the self righteousness just oozes out as those little snide jabs and cheap shots about other Christians.
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Where does the Scripture teach that God's angels in heaven above ever rebelled or that they have free will to sin if they desire?
Statements of fact are not snide jabs and cheap shots. But you are more of an expert on the subject than I ever will be.Says he making "snide jabs and cheap shots about other Christians"....