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Finally! More Young Americans Accept Evolution than Believe in Creationism...

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SkepticThinker

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Well, yes, we are. Keep in mind:
"At the time of the founding of the Republic in 1776, slavery existed literally everywhere on earth and had been an accepted aspect of human history from the very beginning of organized societies."
(http://townhall.com/columnists/mich...ent_truths_about_the_us_and_slavery/page/full)

And remember it was those Christian conservatives who were responsible for abolishing slavery in the United States and the world.
After first practicing it for centuries.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What's the name of you pet peeve? :p
You're quite clever when you get going, aren't you. Now no blushing! I kinda think that I knew that, and I kinda thought I had worded it right to show that but perhaps I didn't; either way, it is always nice to learn or have things clarified.
The internet makes life so much easier for us pedants.
We can double check ourselves before posting.
Well for one, complex things need explanation. They just do.
The things themselves need nothing.
You need an explanation.
I might only want one.
Thus I can patiently wait for one, while need can lead some to leaping for quick but uncromulent ones.
No one looks at anything complex and assumes it just is that way.
I do.
It takes so little effort to just observe.
I would apply that to God, though I know it is not the usual take. I think the Origin was, and still is, simplistic, and what evolved and separated from that is eventually us. We are that Origin, the thoughts, emotions etc.
design is design to me. I am not arguing who designed what or how.
To me, design is either design or design, depending upon circumstances.
If you mean evolution needs no form of intelligence involved, I think you are wrong, drastically wrong.
It's certainly possible I'm wrong.
That's the inherent advantage of the scientific approach.
(Insert Wolfgang Pauli quote here.)
I can't see blind chance acting in such positive ways on blind matter. Sure, I see that is how we see it now, but that is because at our level, that is what we are, matter. But I don't see that in its smallest level, and I certainly think that intelligence is a more suitable answer to complex problems than luck. It is easy to ignore such though when you can't see the intelligence however, just as evolutionists ignore the design. That is what we are taught to do now: the look of design is just a bi-product. But I don't think so. It is sutble I know, and clever, as it leaves enough on the table to convince both sides, believers and unbelivers, that they are right.
Blind chance & a fitness function over vast populations & stretches of time is a good enuf explanation for me.
And it doesn't have the dreaded minty taste of creationism.
 

Shadow Wolf

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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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They are. And you'd think by now they'd learn not to go after them, because at it really achieves is ensure the comedian will continue to go after them, rather than just letting the whole thing eventually die off on it's own. And it's not everyday someone offer themselves, freely and willingly, as comic fuel.

Yup. Did you happen to catch it when a couple of South American politicians took offense at some stuff John Oliver had said about them? Fair to say calling him out DIDN'T lead to him backing down. Quite the opposite...lol
 

gnostic

The Lost One
What's important about evolution and creationalism, anyway? I know one is a mystery the other is, well, interesting; but...whats up with why its so popular topic in general?
Evolution is important, because it contributes a greater understanding of biology, more specifically to the mechanism to biological changes - the understanding to biodiversity -
  1. and how this biodiversity mechanism assist future generations in adapting and surviving external forces, eg changes in environment (natural selection)
  2. or how biodiversity can occur when two different populations can produce population of descendants with different biological characteristics (gene flow)
Creationism doesn't teach anyone anything about biology, or why biodiversity occur.

Evolution also help in understanding health, medicine, diseases. You can't truly understand in making vaccines and antibiotics without understanding viral diseases. And you can't understand viruses without understanding evolution.

Creationism doesn't teach anyone anything about medicine and diseases.

Evolution isn't a mystery like you seemed to think with creationism. Evolution is about the mechanisms in biological changes can affect the survival of future generations.

Evolution is about science, creationism isn't.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
The problem is not Christianity, Judaism or Islam. The problem is those fringe groups who followed the various forms of CREATIONISM. One of the most recent form of creationism is the pseudoscience Intelligent Design.

There are many Jewish and Christian people who are devout, and yet do accept evolution to be accepted theory in biology about the mechanisms for change, genetically.

It is creationism and their followers - the creationists - that sprout ignorance and falsehood in everything.

The falsehood they spread is not just about creation and the creator they believe in, but also in spreading misinformation about evolution, which also include radiometric dating, geology and totally unrelated subject of the Big Bang.

It is through these misinformation about science that they (creationists and ID believers) have all credibilities. Any word they write or say, I don't believe in them, because they are like the boy who cry wolves too many times.

Even Christians and Jews themselves have tried to distant themselves from creationists, speak volumes of creationists' lack of integrity.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
God was not created, nor born, nor evolved....if it were not so, there would be no refuge from being created, being born or evolving....;)
You can keep saying that, but you cannot prove it to be so.

There are no evidence to support God existing before humans inventing him...or them for polytheistic religions.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yup. Did you happen to catch it when a couple of South American politicians took offense at some stuff John Oliver had said about them? Fair to say calling him out DIDN'T lead to him backing down. Quite the opposite...lol
Yeah. I can only imagine he felt like top of the comedian world when he was getting that sort of attention, and he got a segment of his next show practically handed to him out of it. I'm anticipating the story of Phillip Morris trying to do something over Jeff the Diseased Lung in the next season of the show.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Haha.... who cares what you think....and you can't prove what I said is not correct.... ;)

This is like saying "I have pink unicorn in living room, and you can't prove that I don't have one."

How can I prove something that is mythological or imaginary? ...or worse, delusional.

This thread showed that more young Americans now accept evolution is because their education in biology, something that they know, understand and test, should they venture into a career in medicine, medical research, or any other fields relating to biology.

Creationism is based on nothing more than superstitious belief and blind faith that there is a "creator", and using illogical circular reasoning based on scriptures or religious teachings that a creat1or god is responsible for "creation". That's not science, that's making baseless assumption that what you believe is true.

That's why it (creationism) is called faith, not science.

You are asking me to verify or test something that's not possible to test or verify.

Science is not just about theory, it is also about observation, which mean being able to test the theory or find evidences, that will either refute the theory or verify it as being true.

And you can't verify the existence of god and spirits, angels and demons, heaven and hell, or anything else relating to the supernatural.

My problem is not with you believing what you believe, ben. Because, you are an adult, well I am assuming that you are an adult, so you are free to believe in what god or spirit you like. For that I have no argument with you.

But if you think what you believe in is science, then of course, I am going to argue you against that.

Stick to that who or whatever you belief come from your personal belief or personal faith, and not make it more than the scope of your sphere of belief.
 

Ben Dhyan

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This is like saying "I have pink unicorn in living room, and you can't prove that I don't have one."

How can I prove something that is mythological or imaginary? ...or worse, delusional.

This thread showed that more young Americans now accept evolution is because their education in biology, something that they know, understand and test, should they venture into a career in medicine, medical research, or any other fields relating to biology.

Creationism is based on nothing more than superstitious belief and blind faith that there is a "creator", and using illogical circular reasoning based on scriptures or religious teachings that a creat1or god is responsible for "creation". That's not science, that's making baseless assumption that what you believe is true.

That's why it (creationism) is called faith, not science.

You are asking me to verify or test something that's not possible to test or verify.

Science is not just about theory, it is also about observation, which mean being able to test the theory or find evidences, that will either refute the theory or verify it as being true.

And you can't verify the existence of god and spirits, angels and demons, heaven and hell, or anything else relating to the supernatural.

My problem is not with you believing what you believe, ben. Because, you are an adult, well I am assuming that you are an adult, so you are free to believe in what god or spirit you like. For that I have no argument with you.

But if you think what you believe in is science, then of course, I am going to argue you against that.

Stick to that who or whatever you belief come from your personal belief or personal faith, and not make it more than the scope of your sphere of belief.
Why do you equate the absolute universe with a pink unicorn...how old did you say you were? Now you do accept that the universe exists yes...can you prove it is not eternal?
 

Altfish

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Because the change at source is what birthed us. And whatever is the ultimate beginning it must be simplistic is itself, is must be so simplistic as to us, to not seem to exist. It is the realisation of self that brings about consciousness and then us. Complexity must be explained; that is what we do with evolution, atoms, planet and star formation, the big bang, the poss multiverse string theory etc.
Can you put that into English, please
 
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