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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by nPeace, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    You do not know enough to make that claim.
     
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    He was highly educated, a Pharisee of Pharisees. He wrote most of the New Testament. His writings are highly intelligent. He had the Spirit of God that gives us a sound mind.
    Since God called him, we can assume that God knew what He was doing.
     
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    How does one recognize when they have interpreted the Bible cortectly? Is there a set of metrics?

    As writing, The Book of Revelations is interesting, but it should have been left out of the Bible. Its symbolism is too confusing for modern readers and the temptation to find meaning in it that is not there has been too strong for many of those readers. It has helped turn Christianity into a death cult through some extreme interpretations.

    Certainly, some scientific findings can be turned, after the fact, to fit certain religious claims, but these laws were determined based on the observations of nature and not in descriptions of God or other claims of the Bible.

    About the only thing regarding my personal religious views that is relevant to our discussion is that I do not let church doctrine or biblical allegory distort my knowledge. As I see it, God, in some way I do not understand, gave me senses to view the world and a brain to evaluate and conclude about that information. He clearly wanted me to think and draw my own conclusions and not disregard them or parrot some doctrine.
     
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    just when it looked like we might have a descent discussion too.
     
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    Yes, of course. He wrote it down for us. We have the mind of God.

    1Co 2:16 - For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
     
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    Um...
    That verse is asking who knows the mind of god and then rather pointedly says Jesus.
     
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  7. Dan From Smithville

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    I do not believe as a JW does and I do not appreciate some of the positions taken by your church, but that is true even of my own denomination. I accept that you believe and worship through the institution of your choice. Where we come to opposition is in claims publicly made by that church or its members. These are up for discussion and open to debate. The same is true of fundamentalist and creationist claims of the same nature in general.

    I know it is unrealistic in some ways to suggest that someone believe in something and remain silent about it. However, it is not silence that I am suggesting. A lot of what human religious institutions demand of their practitioners is not required for a belief in God, with regards to Christianity or other Abrahamic religions, at least. A person can voice what they believe, but they should not expect others to accept it without question or see it as some universal truth without reason to.
     
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    Have you ever wondered if some people missed their calling, even while there are so many used cars in need of selling?
     
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    If you examine the evidence of science related to an issue controversial to some religious positions and determine that you accept the scientific conclusions, what would you do? Is it intellectually honest to adhere to a church doctrine that your conclusions are at odds with? Do you think that it means you must give up your belief in God? Could it mean that some interpretations need upgrading and belief in God can still remain intact? Do you think God does not want us to interpret observations the best we can or is that just the bias of a human institution? Maybe we do not understand as well as we want to believe we do.
     
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    I have enjoyed it too. I know that it can get robust, but I have hope that some common ground can be found.
     
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    He appears to believe he does.
     
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    Now is that is a positive image to end the discussion with.
     
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    New facts are found during inquiry, but you are correct too. And many times sound interpretations.

    I have no knowledge that any mutation was divinely contrived. I know of no evidence to give reason to conclude that nor do I know anyone that does. You are confusing what you believe with observations.
     
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    So you accept mico-evolution? Based on the evidence, I accept the theory of evolution. It does not rob me of my belief in God nor should it. My belief is not a consideration of the scientific conclusions. They can be accepted by a person of any faith or none at all.

    I do recall that you stated you are not a YEC.
     
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    Some of his writings are highly intelligent, some not so much. And you are making some huge assumptions that you need to support. I don't think that you can. So since you said a lot of things that look like nonsense does that mean that Paul was sane? No, not nearly. But lucky for you it does not mean that he is insane either.
     
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    So you have first hand knowledge with Paul to make that certain claim. How often to you talk to Paul? Daily?
    If Jesus is the actual son of GOD and Mary then GOD must be male or be both male and female. So to your knowledge is god just male or is god part male and part female?
     
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    Exactly how do you know what was created or not. If dinosaurs were not created where did they come from.

    You get more creative with time but this line is truly astounding. "The time of the dinos would have ended about at least a year before this" Ok I cant help but ask how do you know the time of the dinosaurs was at least one year before this. Please explain this one!
     
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    So some animals were created but others evolved, is that correct? Therefore there must have been life on earth that evolved before god popped into the picture and created new creatures or that only some creatures had the ability to evolve. Please explain how you know this.
     
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    Exactly how did you come up with 1600 years? This idea would be easy to test. The geologic record should show that birds or whatever animal the dinosaurs evolved from should be found in sedimentary layers below the dinosaurs. Do you have an example or are you just making this up as you go along. Where does you information come from? I really want to know.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Absolutely. Marvelous to think about.
     
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