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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by nPeace, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Dan From Smithville

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    It is hysterical.
     
  2. Dan From Smithville

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    Hey! No self-respecting rabbit would ever.
     
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    That is because "missing link" is a misnomer. We are still apes. You are an ape, I am an ape, dad is an ape. One thing wrong with the article that you linked is that it does not point out that humans are great apes too, unless I missed that somehow. Many people are still affected by the creationist strawman of a change of kind in evolution. There is none.

    Also we may find the LCA between man and chimps. But then we will need to find the LCA between (man, chimps and bonobos) and gorillas. Then we will have to find the LCA between (man, chimps, bonobos, and gorillas) and orangutans. You can see that there will be an endless series of LCA's back the the ultimate one. The question is why do creationists put so much stock in a concept that they do not understand?
     
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  4. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    I'd like to see real evidence from the first cell on and outward. (Can't say on and upward, someone might object.) OK, I'll take evidence of and about the second cell onward and outward. Not just the first cell. :) Or imaginations about it.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    OK, again. Can you please at least give (verifiable) evidence of the first OR second cell in transition showing emergence into more cells or the same cells, whatever the theory is about moving along from the first, second, or more cellular living forms, whether they multiplied into the same composition or different compositions, whether there was one, two, or many unicells moving along. Thank you.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    You're welcome. Glad you like it. (Isn't the chimp cute, though?) Especially as a close link and relative. :) When I think about it and look at his cute face, it makes me smile, if not laugh.

    So rather than explaining definite circumstances such as what is the humans closest related link, scientists say, in essence, they don't really know. Especially because their concept keeps changing, based upon discovery and opinion putting it all together within the 'theory.' And now there's more changing opinions about evidence. You can say it's great they keep coming up with new ideas about what's what within the realm of evolution, but when looked at precisely, they don't really know.

    "There appears to be a decrease in overall body size within our lineage, rather than size simply staying the same or getting bigger with time, which goes against how we generally think about evolution," Grabowski said. Oops. Goes against how they generally think about evolution.

    And it is not just possible, but likely, that the opinion (how they generally think about evolution) will change again. Because -- :) they admit they don't really know. Now when a person admits they don't really know -- because something enters the picture to go against the general thinking about evolution, whether you accept that as reality of evolution, or that scientists don't really know, is up to one's perception of reality.
    New study suggests that last common ancestor of humans and apes was smaller than thought
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    See, we look at the theory and evidence differently. I view evidence as that which depicts reality and truth, which is why I spoke of having trials with lawyers producing what they perceive as evidence. While a jury may vote to find guilty or not guilty based on "evidence," the OJ Simpson trial comes to mind, jurors can regret their decision either way because they were influenced by clever lawyers and the presented evidence. Men have been put to death because of mistaken decisions. I no longer believe the theory of evolution is linked to that which is considered to be evidence of the reality of evolution.

    By the way, what did they "discover"? That chimps may not be the "closest living relative" to humans after all, and they still can't find or don't know the "common living relative" via evolution? (No kidding...it's still missing...the link to humans common relative.) Frankly, I don't see that as real true science at all, it is more like philosophy or intellectual bantering, using artifacts and conjecturing as evidence.
     
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    Do you think Newton, Boyle, Kepler, or Milton were anti-intellectual?
     
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    I don't think it matters, since they did not let church doctrine inhibit there conclusions about reality. What about all those clergy that set out find the evidence of a global flood and found none. They weren't anti-intellectuals either. They ended up establishing geology as a science.
     
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    Milton? Berle? John? Remind me.
     
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    But they were creationists!
     
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    Yeah, Milton Berle; what about him? Huh, huh, huh?

    Lol. You know who I meant.

    (Berle was quite a funny guy!)
     
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    They were not modern creationists. We are talking about the here and now. There work lead people to understand that not everything in the Bible has to be viewed as immutable fact. They could think on their own with regards to observations and scientific conclusions.
     
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    Actually, I am drawing a blank. The only other Milton that comes to mind is John Milton.
     
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    They had a valid excuse. People of this day do not.
     
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    They did not accept General Relativity either. Do you know why?
     
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    Well you know what they say about Milton Berle. To put it mildly he was quite popular with the ladies;)
     
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    Modern creationists do not see any value in science except perhaps a few areas that they do not perceive as contrary to their personal religious views. This varies of course, with some practically rejecting all of it. Ironically, they often use that science and technology to spread their views to that effect.

    You are intelligent, but you are devoted to your particular doctrine too. That contradictory dichotomy would tear me apart.
     
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    I have heard that he was an actor used to handling large parts.
     
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    I understand that they rejected antibiotics as well.
     
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