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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by nPeace, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    He is using one of the worst possible arguments against the theory of evolution. People that did not know any better and had no reason to were creationists. Why is that so surprising?
     
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    He was very funny. It was a surprise to see him in Ratt's video of 'Round and Round' when it first came out.
     
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    I know. He has used it before. He doesn't even change it to cover that fact.
     
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    Most creationists have a very limited repertoire. That is one reason that I get a bit excited when I see a new one. I am always hoping for something new instead of the same old PRATT's. In debating with creationists one sometimes has to learn something new to refute them. That was why I was so pleased with debating with the deniers of AGW on Topix. They treated the Stefan Boltzmann Law as a god and did not realize that it refuted their claims when one understood it. That took a bit of reading and studying on my part. What I really liked about it was that I developed a better explanation of the Greenhouse Effect than was commonly given (it was too oversimplified) and then found people that actually understand the material using the same explanation years later on YouTube. Nice confirmation that I got something right.
     
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    To be clear, I am not equating anti-intellectual actions or positions with stupidity. Some surely are, but that is not true of all who succomb. It is also a fact that it is not exclusively a paradigm held by creationists alone. It is any dogmatic position that disregards or comforts rational inquiry and the facts arising from that inquiry. Here, however, we are isolating our discussion to the impact that modern creationist views have on that inquiry.
     
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    Everything in Scripture is factual, but sometimes it requires a symbolic understanding.

    For example, here’s an understanding you may not have come across: Revelation 21:1, which says....”And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.”

    This isn’t literal. Both plant and animal life need the oceans for survival! No doubt the planet itself, in ways we don’t fully understand yet.

    So what does this mean? If you read the description found @ Isaiah 57:20, you’ll grasp what Revelation 21:1 is talking about, which makes a lot more sense!

    The Bible always “makes sense”, when it’s interpreted correctly....just like the evidence discovered by genuine science, reaching sound conclusions.

    Like the scientific understanding of energy, that it can neither be created nor destroyed...it only can change in form. (If energy can’t be created ex nihilo, then that means, what? It’s always existed, in some form.)
    Well, this perfectly describes Jehovah God’s eternal existence... He is not made of matter; rather, He is the supreme intelligence, in a form of pure energy. The Source of all matter’s origin. The Big Bang, for one. Genesis 1:1.

    You identify as Christian Methodist. I’d sure like to know your view of God, and the origin of physical life.
     
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    Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? . 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
     
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    I am looking for that too. Nothing like a challenge to encourage the breaking of new ground or of digging deeper in existing fields. I very much appreciate discussions with @Hockeycowboy, despite his bouts of repetition, he does bring arguments and claims that are new to me. I had to learn more about frozen mammoths and ship design than I would have on my own. One of his recent posts included a link to a scientific paper I recommend reading to those interested in common descent.
     
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    Not necessarily. It is possible and even likely that most dinos were extinct by the time the flood came. But even if there were dinos at the time the ark was being built, unless they were created kinds, they would not really be a kind that was asked to come on the ark.
    So, when the ark landed would no longer be the time of the dinos! The time of the dinos would have ended about at least a year before this.

    False! Just because man and most animals could not leave remains in that former nature does not mean they were not here.
    God was the One that called the kinds to the ark. I assume He called the original kinds that were created, rather than highly evolved/adapted creatures.
    Hey, who knows?!

    In the former nature, evolution happened lightning fast compared to today. So in the 1600 years before the flood, a lot of evolving went on. If dinosaurs were creatures that had evolved from created kinds of creatures in that time, they would probably not get the invite to the ark.
    Simple.
     
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    Oh come on! I'm pretty confident our omnipotent God knew exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about!
     
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    That is from one of the the mythical parts of the Bible.. You just confirmed my claim. I will gladly help you to understand how we know that that part of the Bible is mythical.
     
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    First of all, facts don’t arise from inquiry. It’s the facts that lead to inquiry.
    And, many times, faulty interpretations.

    You said you never remember me posting that I agree that “evolution occurs”. Well, ok. But I do...it’s obvious. Otherwise, we’d have only one breed of Dogs, one of Cats, one of Horses, etc. (These limited mutations within the genome were Divinely arranged for, and purposed, for our benefit, btw. You have any reasoned guesses as to why?)

    Do you remember that I’m not a YEC, either?
     
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    Paul was of sound mind and quite learned and brilliant. Jesus is the Son of God, so He got His body from God and Mary.
     
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    No such thing, they made it up whole of cloth.
     
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    Me too.
     
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    How do you know that Paul was "of sound mind" That is a claim that you need to be able to support. I have a feeling that you are not going to do so.
     
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    God doesn't think so.
     
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    Really?
    And you know what God thinks?
     
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