Evangelical Insurrectionists

[SkepticThinker]

If you mean what it the goals of “democrats”, it is what I have understood from mainstream media and what it tells about what “democrats” want. But, that is the image I have gotten from the news in relatively long time period, I have not now all the exact sources. But, is it no true, do you think “democrats” don’t try to make it easier for “non white” to get same as “white” people?

One example of what I meant in previous post is for example this:

Assembly Bill 979, authored by Assemblyman Chris Holden (D-Pasadena), would require companies to impose strict minimums on the number of African-American, Hispanic, and Native American board members a company must have. For companies with fewer than 4, then 1 member must come from one of those minority groups. For companies with between 4 and 8 board seats they must have at least 2 minority held seats, with any larger boards than that having at least 3.
Bill Would Force Companies To Give Board Seats To Minority Candidates - California Globe

I think companies should be allowed to hire people that are best for the job and not by that kind of racial ideology. (And sorry, if that source is not good for you, it was the first that I found, but there seems to be also other sources that tell the same).

No.

I mean, what is your news source?



I'm not sure what "do you think 'democrats' don't try to make it easier for 'nonwhite' to get same as 'white' people" is supposed to mean, exactly. Could you clarify? Are you talking about affirmative action?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think it is very weird, if someone attacks against someone because of that word. And I think it is wrong to accuse Trump for that, because even the mainstream media told first that the virus originated from China. It was not just some source that communists want to silence.

The mainstream media didn't refer to it as the "China virus" though, did they?
That was Trump.

And now we're seeing anti-Asian sentiment coming out around the country. So you could disagree, but it doesn't seem like your opinion jives with reality here.

And, if we consider what the mainstream media told, there was good reason to have “anti-China” sentiments, because it at least appeared that China didn’t deal well with the disease that MSM now seems to think is almost like the plague.

China is doing far better in managing the virus than say, the US has done.

But, perhaps China dealt with it loosely, because it is not in their opinion serious disease. And for example, here in Finland, more people died to alcohol last year than to this kung flu. So, maybe there is no reason to be angry to China, even if they dealt with it leisurely.

They dealt with it quite swiftly and harshly, actually. I.e., They view(ed) it as a serious virus. Again, they are doing much better than other countries, including the US.

However, I think attacking is not good in any case. But, I have to wonder, why it is ok to attack against people in Russia, or Syria, or Libya, but not against Chinese. Why attack is ok, when “democrats” do it, but not ok, if other people do so?

Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. This just sounds like partisan bias, to me.

 

[1213]

...And now we're seeing anti-Asian sentiment coming out around the country. So you could disagree, but it doesn't seem like your opinion jives with reality here.

I think the word “China virus” has nothing to do with it. There are greater reasons, for example that at least allegedly they let the virus spread to whole world. Other more probable reason is that it seems they chose Biden to be the president of USA. Also, more likely reason is that many have lost jobs “because of China”. I think the actual reason for losing jobs is not China, but the bad leaders that have not done what is best for their people and instead have served few big companies and China.

They dealt with it quite swiftly and harshly, actually. I.e., They view(ed) it as a serious virus. Again, they are doing much better than other countries, including the US.

Yes, it has has gone so well that it is difficult to not think that it was a bioweapon against western world. But, if they think it is serious, why didn’t they warn other countries and didn’t prevent it to spread all over the world?

Would assume you would be more skeptic on these matters and not believe blindly what MSM says.

 

[1213]

...Are you talking about affirmative action?

I think that is one example of that. All though it depends on how far it goes. I think it is good, if all have for example chance to have education, but when people are in school, grades should go by how good person is, not by skin color, or other irrelevant matter.

 

[1213]

Human beings are human beings — no matter the color of their skin. But another trait of humanity is its incredible diversity. That diversity has to be honored, if humanity is to be honored. Skin color isn’t “the” defining matter, but it is one defining point that needs to be honored, if for no other reason than that, socially and culturally speaking, the majority sets the “norm.” When we claim “we don’t see color,” what we’re really saying is that “we see everyone just like us.” Which patently goes against what Jesus teaches in Matthew 26.

I disagree with that. But, if skin color must be honored, why that doesn’t include “white” color? I think all skin colors are as good, therefore it doesn’t really make any difference. Difference comes for example from matters like, does the person do stupid things, is he a liar…

 

[sojourner]

I disagree with that

I’m sorry to hear that.

But, if skin color must be honored, why that doesn’t include “white” color?

It does; it just doesn’t mean that white is either preferred, nor is it the norm.

I think all skin colors are as good, therefore it doesn’t really make any difference

It does when those of one skin color have more power than those of another, and when those people historically engage in systemic racism — as is the case with white entitlement being culturally, politically and religiously entrenched.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think the word “China virus” has nothing to do with it. There are greater reasons, for example that at least allegedly they let the virus spread to whole world. Other more probable reason is that it seems they chose Biden to be the president of USA. Also, more likely reason is that many have lost jobs “because of China”. I think the actual reason for losing jobs is not China, but the bad leaders that have not done what is best for their people and instead have served few big companies and China.

Sorry but I don't go for conspiracy theory stuff.

Maybe other people do and that's why all the anti-Asian sentiment. Trump's comments where he calls it the "China Virus" and blames China for all the world's ills probably has something to do with it as well.

Yes, it has has gone so well that it is difficult to not think that it was a bioweapon against western world. But, if they think it is serious, why didn’t they warn other countries and didn’t prevent it to spread all over the world?

They were secretive at first, that is true. But they quickly owned it, started sharing information with other scientists around the world, and got a handle on it. So much so that they are doing far better than the US currently is in stopping the spread of the virus.

Would assume you would be more skeptic on these matters and not believe blindly what MSM says.

Whenever someone says something like this to me, I imagine they are someone who gets their information from YouTube videos and far-right websites. Especially when said person is espousing conspiracy theories and extreme partisan bias.

I don't blindly believe what anyone says. Thanks for the incorrect assumption though.

 

[1213]

...It does; it just doesn’t mean that white is either preferred, nor is it the norm...

Ok, in that case, if all colors are equal, it is irrelevant matter.

...It does when those of one skin color have more power than those of another, and when those people historically engage in systemic racism — as is the case with white entitlement being culturally, politically and religiously entrenched.

I think the skin color has really nothing to do with it. It just happens to be that there is certain group that has developed things to this point, which may give certain advantages to them. Basically, any group could have done the same. But, in my opinion that group has made it possible for those who come outside of the group to have also opportunities, which makes the group actually quite good. I think it is not common and actually in many cases groups tend to protect it and don’t easily accept new members and I don’t think it is really about race. It is more likely about keeping the group unite and to protect what they have done and unity and also own benefits.

I think people often misunderstand what is the point of “racists”. It is not about race, but about that they don’t want the system to be changed. For example, by what I know Muslim country doesn’t want Christian people, because they mess up their situation, way of life, and/or unity. When the unity is well spoiled, it leads to collapse or the group. I think we can see that happening in America now. There are about half of people who support constitution and the free county that USA was and about half people support socialism and are against the constitution. And unfortunately, it seems that the anti-freedom group has won. And not to keep the unity, they try to silence the opposition, will have to oppress everyone who disagrees with them and probably it leads to civil war or to extermination camps for those dare to disagree with “democrats”. I hope it doesn’t go that far and I hope USA doesn’t destroy its constitution.

 

[sojourner]

Ok, in that case, if all colors are equal, it is irrelevant matter

No, it is relevant, because the whites (who hold the normative power) don’t systemically treat minorities as equal.

I think the skin color has really nothing to do with it

It has everything to do with it.

The rest of your post is too asinine to waste bandwidth on.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it is actually “democrats” who are racists, because they are mostly the ones who speak about races and especially because they seem to think not all people are as able.

Those racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, Earth hating Dems! How dare they speak about issues and problems others have! Those haters need to learn to be quiet!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it is very odd that we still speak of human races. I don’t think there is any good reason to claim that there are races. I think we have only one human race. Calling Jews or “black” people own race is in my opinion racism and wrong and also incredibly stupid

Except we all come from different backgrounds. Irish, Japanese, French, Persian, Han, Jewish; different people, different cultures, different backgrounds, different histories, there are even some slight genetic tendencies that vary among groups to entrench these physical differences. And that isn't just with race. People who have fair skin and red hair have been viewed differently at different times in history. Being left handed used to be a big deal (and still is, though people are silent on the issue now).
If we're going to stop seeing race, we may as well stop seeing culture and gender.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This video released yesterday by an imbedded war correspondent, capturing the insurrectionists storming the Capitol shows what happened inside with details. Riffling through senator's papers, saying "This is what Cruz would want us to do," and such. It is disturbing to say the least.

Start watching the video at 5:25 where, while violating the chair of the Vice President, they lead the insurrectionists in a very Christian prayer, invoking the name of Jesus Christ. They all remove their hats, bow their heads, and some raising hands in worship to God for his hand in their violence that day.

This sort of display is very much in line with the types of worship found commonly in right-wing Evangelical churches. Thanking God for them being on the right side, all the while violating the very core message of Jesus Christ to love your neighbor as yourself.

I see this as the crowning moment of this movement within Evangelicalism which cast their lot in a deal with the devil. This is their shining moment. And it reveals the sickness and disease within it. IMO. Is there anything redeeming or Christian in any of this?

"By their fruits, you shall know them," ~ Jesus

I'm positive those people are paid actors/agents provocateurs, especially the fake Viking prick. They were let in without much of a problem (unlike the Air Force vet who was inexplicably shot dead), appeared to be directed to where they should go, basically had bizarre professional photoshoots (there's some images where the security is appearing to wave people away so they can have a photoshoot) and it's the same core of dubious people that the press is plastering all over the place. Oh, and they're all stereotypes of what people think Trump supporters look like, when his supporters are actually fairly diverse. Anyway, I don't buy this crap. It's laughably transparent to me.

 

[Windwalker]

I'm positive those people are paid actors/agents provocateurs, especially the fake Viking prick.

I suspect you've been positive about a lot things which turned out to be completely false. This is another one of those times:

A well-known QAnon influencer dubbed the 'Q Shaman' has been arrested after playing a highly visible role in the Capitol siege

Man in Viking Garb Among Three Charged by U.S. for Riots

There is a great deal of information about this person, and none of it includes an acting career. Nor is he Antifa. He has a long history with Q-Anon, and is a well-recognized conspiracy theorist supporter of it.

Out of curiosity, what is it that attracts you to conspiracy theories, when there is so much incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, such as we have about Jake Angeli? Is reality not juicy enough for you? I wish none of it were true too, but it is. We have to face the facts.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I suspect you've been positive about a lot things which turned out to be completely false. This is another one of those times:

A well-known QAnon influencer dubbed the 'Q Shaman' has been arrested after playing a highly visible role in the Capitol siege

Man in Viking Garb Among Three Charged by U.S. for Riots

There is a great deal of information about this person, and none of it includes an acting career. Nor is he Antifa. He has a long history with Q-Anon, and is a well-recognized conspiracy theorist supporter of it.

Out of curiosity, what is it that attracts you to conspiracy theories, when there is so much incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, such as we have about Jake Angeli? Is reality not juicy enough for you? I wish none of it were true too, but it is. We have to face the facts.

ER, when you Google him, it says he's an actor. At least it did when I Googled him a few weeks ago. I choose to believe my own eyes and knowledge than what the corporate media and the lying government have to say. I know he was arrested, so what? He is being coddled, even when behind bars. That's not a new thing for patsies and fakes.

I'm not answering your rude questions. Here's one for you: how do you like not thinking for yourself and going by what the oligarch's propaganda corps feeds you?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I'm positive those people are paid actors/agents provocateurs, especially the fake Viking prick. They were let in without much of a problem (unlike the Air Force vet who was inexplicably shot dead), appeared to be directed to where they should go, basically had bizarre professional photoshoots (there's some images where the security is appearing to wave people away so they can have a photoshoot) and it's the same core of dubious people that the press is plastering all over the place. Oh, and they're all stereotypes of what people think Trump supporters look like, when his supporters are actually fairly diverse. Anyway, I don't buy this crap. It's laughably transparent to me.

I'm not really following this thread, but a problem with this is that it gives people , in general, too much credit as to their ability to perform complicated autonomous maneuvers on a mass scale. However, I think people do display performative behavior, and this might lead you to believe that it can get more sophisticated, though I highly doubt it can

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not really following this thread, but a problem with this is that it gives people , in general, too much credit as to their ability to perform complicated autonomous maneuvers on a mass scale. However, I think people do display performative behavior, and this might lead you to believe that it can get more sophisticated, though I highly doubt it can

I'm not saying it was all fake, but that there's plenty of fakeness going on there, like with the main group of guys the media keeps banging on about as the poster boys of the "siege" (the most **** poor siege I've ever seen).

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I'm not saying it was all fake, but that there's plenty of fakeness going on there, like with the main group of guys the media keeps banging on about as the poster boys of the "siege" (the most **** poor siege I've ever seen).

well I happen to agree with what the podcaster eric weinstein said about this, that with these sorts of things there is a lot of "k-fabe." And that doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy, it just shows that people are performative, as it is pretty much completely non-intentional. They didn't bring a siege to the place as much as they brought a carnival, which is a sort of intentionally dissonant sensory experience, to the place in our society where the most order is stored. So I think maybe, it was a psychological attack, or challenge

 

[sojourner]

I'm positive those people are paid actors/agents provocateurs, especially the fake Viking prick. They were let in without much of a problem (unlike the Air Force vet who was inexplicably shot dead), appeared to be directed to where they should go, basically had bizarre professional photoshoots (there's some images where the security is appearing to wave people away so they can have a photoshoot) and it's the same core of dubious people that the press is plastering all over the place. Oh, and they're all stereotypes of what people think Trump supporters look like, when his supporters are actually fairly diverse. Anyway, I don't buy this crap. It's laughably transparent to me.

Looks like Someone has been sucked into McCarthyism

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm positive those people are paid actors/agents provocateurs, especially the fake Viking prick.

That is most people who sport/say/have anything remotely Norse related. He clearly thinks some common misconceptions about the Norse. So do many others who even claim Asatru but yet believe things not supported by history or lore when it comes the Norse beliefs or the religious customs and rituals of the larger Pagan Germanic tribes as a whole.
As for Angeli himself, sure, he is a small name actor. He was also booted out of the military for refusing a vaccine. Newsmax is even attaching him to Qanon.

Oh, and they're all stereotypes of what people think Trump supporters look like, when his supporters are actually fairly diverse.

They are the loudest of his supporters. The most loyal and dedicated. While what you say is true, those at present at the riot are True Believers in Trump's lies. There are also Christian and Muslim stereotypes of such. Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal, and sometimes people live up to the stereotypes. Like Scots and sailors who would be "verbal daggers" to the ears of many prudish conservative Americans by the way they talk.

 

[1213]

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If we're going to stop seeing race, we may as well stop seeing culture and gender.

I think that is not good. Skin color doesn’t necessary tell anything about person, culture usually tells. When person comes from certain culture, and says to be part of it, it means he has that world view and values. Skin color doesn’t bring anything really, all though certain world views can be more probable with certain skin colors.