Dogs know...

[Mock Turtle]

So does that mean you plan to remain ignorant of the evidence Sheldrake published in the peer-reviewed literature on dogs who seem to know when their owners are returning home?

Doesn't bother me - I don't think I have come across anything in the mainstream scientific literature that might support his rather outlandish propositions. And I think there was programme here on UK TV that attempted to do the same - dogs expecting the owners return - but where it was all a bit hit and miss and hardly conclusive. Can't remember the outcome but it certainly wasn't the dogs sensing their owners presence other than smelling them. The time expectations along with a general preparedness seemed to account for much of it.

 

[YmirGF]

So does that mean you plan to remain ignorant of the evidence Sheldrake published in the peer-reviewed literature on dogs who seem to know when their owners are returning home?

How do you account for the hundreds of video on YouTube where dogs DID NOT KNOW something was afoot until they laid eyes on their returning humans? I think, that alone, squashes Herr Sheldrake's "research".

 

[Mindmaster]

Dogs know (sometimes) when their master is returning home. Ten minutes beforehand they start hanging out near the front door awaiting that happy moment.

Perhaps it works like this: When the master gets near home, they think of their beloved doggies. Since their souls are entangled with those of their doggies, they feel the presence.

Also, not just dogs, but cats... and surprisingly... fish.

My fish will come up to the front of the tank during times when they know I am going to be there and they know their feeding times better than I do. They'll start splashing around if I forget... it's pretty funny anyway...

 

[George-ananda]

The person whose claims you choose to accept
cannot be validated by anyone, and he has reputation
as a crank.

Who has tried to validate his dog claims and failed?

The only close thing I heard was from the James Randi clan and then they later admitted they had no data to show.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Who has tried to validate his dog claims and failed?

The only close thing I heard was from the James Randi clan and then they later admitted they had no data to show.

It's some time since I had a look at this stuff, but I seem to recall his experiments just weren't considered to be rigorous enough. I might be wrong.

 

[Nous]

Doesn't bother me - I don't think I have come across anything in the mainstream scientific literature that might support his rather outlandish propositions. And I think there was programme here on UK TV that attempted to do the same - dogs expecting the owners return - but where it was all a bit hit and miss and hardly conclusive. Can't remember the outcome but it certainly wasn't the dogs sensing their owners presence other than smelling them. The time expectations along with a general preparedness seemed to account for much of it.

Wow. Just wow. Yeah, stick with your beliefs formed from ignorance of the scientific evidence.

It's unfortunate that you cannot step outside of those beliefs long enough to see what an impoverished mentality you describe here.

 

[Nous]

How do you account for the hundreds of video on YouTube where dogs DID NOT KNOW something was afoot until they laid eyes on their returning humans? I think, that alone, squashes Herr Sheldrake's "research".

I am unaware that anyone has ever claimed that every dog exhibits such behavior as Sheldrake has documented. I assume that every dog does not exhibit such behavior.

There are hundreds of such videos on YouTube? Can you link to 50 of them?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Wow. Just wow. Yeah, stick with your beliefs formed from ignorance of the scientific evidence.

It's unfortunate that you cannot step outside of those beliefs long enough to see what an impoverished mentality you describe here.

You just have to go with the evidence presented and base any judgements (if any) on this. It's rather easy to be persuaded by what appeals to one. And if his propositions were true then it might obviously impact on humans - and there is no evidence in this area to confirm anything he says.

 

[Nous]

You just have to go with the evidence presented

Then why are you trying to justify and gloat about remaining ignorant of the peer-reviewed evidence presented in #17?

and there is no evidence in this area to confirm anything he says.

Prove it.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Then why are you trying to justify and gloat about remaining ignorant of the peer-reviewed evidence presented in #17?

Prove it.

OK when I have time - like next year or the next.

 

[Nous]

OK when I have time - like next year or the next.

It's probably over your head, but you could have read at least a good deal of the JSE paper linked to above in the time you have spent trying to glorify your ignorance of the evidence.

 

[Mock Turtle]

It's probably over your head, but you could have read at least a good deal of the JSE paper linked to above in the time you have spent trying to glorify your ignorance of the evidence.

Now now - no need to be insulting just because you are attached to something that just hasn't got the evidence to back it up. Like homeopathy too?

 

[YmirGF]

I am unaware that anyone has ever claimed that every dog exhibits such behavior as Sheldrake has documented. I assume that every dog does not exhibit such behavior.

There are hundreds of such videos on YouTube? Can you link to 50 of them?

Just search returning vet greeted by dog should get you tons

 

[Mock Turtle]

It's probably over your head, but you could have read at least a good deal of the JSE paper linked to above in the time you have spent trying to glorify your ignorance of the evidence.

By the way - I'm pretty certain that I have read enough of Sheldrake's material in the past. I am in my 70s so it hardly springs readily to mind. If it made any sense to me at the time I'm sure I would have remembered, and of course I'm still open to new knowledge - just not the kind that makes a mockery of all other science. The implications would be rather large if his theories were true. I try not to get attached to any theory - and I have come across plenty that were quite interesting - they just tend to get filed away until sufficient evidence comes to light to support them or overturn current ones.

 

[suncowiam]

Dogs know (sometimes) when their master is returning home. Ten minutes beforehand they start hanging out near the front door awaiting that happy moment.

Perhaps it works like this: When the master gets near home, they think of their beloved doggies. Since their souls are entangled with those of their doggies, they feel the presence.

How do dogs know when to go pee or poo?

This might sound insulting but seriously, how do dogs know when to pee or poo, or when to sneeze or blink and when to salivate?

Why are you asking those questions also?

 

[socharlie]

Dogs know (sometimes) when their master is returning home. Ten minutes beforehand they start hanging out near the front door awaiting that happy moment.

Perhaps it works like this: When the master gets near home, they think of their beloved doggies. Since their souls are entangled with those of their doggies, they feel the presence.

witnessed that many times.

 

[tayla]

Also, not just dogs, but cats... and surprisingly... fish.

My fish will come up to the front of the tank during times when they know I am going to be there and they know their feeding times better than I do. They'll start splashing around if I forget... it's pretty funny anyway...

I have a thought about pet fish. In the wild they spend all day searching for food,... and occasionally they find some. In the fish tank they spend all day searching for food but never find anything. So sad, poor fishies.

Someone should invent a gadget that releases tiny amounts of food all day long.

 

[tayla]

However I would figure scent, rather than "soul" sense plays a larger role here.

Hopefully my wife doesn't smell so bad that my dogs can smell her in the car 10 miles away.

 

[tayla]

Good internal clocks?

The times are random.

 

[Axe Elf]

When you point at something you want a dog to see, they look at your finger.

I have a hard time believing that they have developed telepathy.