IsmailaGodHasHeard
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Do you believe that you have to be a Christian to be saved? I am just curious.
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Do you believe that you have to be a Christian to be saved? I am just curious.
I believe a person must trust in Jesus Christ alone for forgiveness of their sins to receive salvation and eternal life.
What about John 14:6, and Acts 4:12?Nope.
Jesus forgave those who threw stones at him and surely that wasn´t them showing their appreciation or beleiving he was God.
If his forgiveness holds any water I am sure you don´t need to worship Jesus to be saved, because he doesn´t need to be worshipped in order to act like a true God
What about John 14:6, and Acts 4:12?
What about John 14:6, and Acts 4:12?
John 14:6 does make a compelling case, true. But take the context. Jesus told his disciples, "you know the way to the place I am going", but Thomas asked him how it was possible for them to know the way if they didn't know where he was going. Jesus' answer was made to assure the disciples that they would go wherever he went and that, through following his teachings, they'd get to heaven.
And let's think about what the words mean for a second. "No one comes to the Father except through me." Does this mean that one must be Christian to be saved? Or does it rather mean that it is Jesus who decides who comes to the Father? I think it is more likely to be the latter. We can have as much faith and belief as we want but, as humans, even that will always be weak and flawed. As humans, we can never worship God enough to do Him justice. All the faith and worship or all the humans, angels, and extraterrestrials, both real and fictional who ever lived would not be able to do God justice, so it is through his mercy that we can attain salvation.
Ultimately, Jesus decides who can come to salvation and who isn't ready for it quite yet.
That quote in Acts wasn't said by Jesus, so it doesn't count. Anything not said by the J-man himself should be taken with utmost scturiny, especially if it was said by Peter or Paul.
Also, remember "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they are doing". There are, remember, people on Earth who really are ignorant of the truth and can't help that fact. Will God punish them for this? Would the potter send to Hell the pot that he, himself, made crooked?
Of course, there's an easy answer to all this, one that fills up all the holes in the doctrine. It's brilliant, but it's unorthodox and it'll get me labelled as a heretic quicker than you can say "Gehenna".
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Reincarnation
That quote in Acts wasn't said by Jesus, so it doesn't count. Anything not said by the J-man himself should be taken with utmost scturiny, especially if it was said by Peter or Paul.
...to be saved from or for what? exactly....
Just wondering.
I agree with a lot of that. Specially:
Well, at least I have one person on my side!
Granted, you're not a Christian in the traditional sense, but you're more Christian than some of these traditionalists ever will be.
"Traditional"
I do consider myself christian. I just don´t generaly use the label because my beliefs of what Jesus actualy taught vary wildly with the christian mainstream.
In any case, there was nothing traditional about what Jesus came to say!
You certainly have the right to believe what you want, but the Bible says differently according to Christian belief.
It says he will take them to the mansion of his Father, but it doesn´t say he demands worship in exchange of it.
Also Jesus said "Those who are not against me are with me". So there, Jesus was very inclusive.
So that is why I feel no one needs to go down for not beleiving in him.
In traditional Christianity, you can't achieve unity with God if you're in a state of sin. Dying and never achieving unity with God is referred to as "Hell". Traditionally, Jesus saved us from this.
"Traditional"