Mister Silver
Faith's Nightmare
Sin is invented nonsense.
Religion creates sin in order to sell you the cure it alone pretends to have.
Religion creates sin in order to sell you the cure it alone pretends to have.
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Sin is invented nonsense.
Religion creates sin in order to sell you the cure it alone pretends to have.
Asking for forgiveness and repenting are two different things. One can ask for forgiveness, and never repent. As you stated in an earlier post, repentance is a change of mind/heart. One can change their mind about stealing, after they have stolen, and never ask for forgiveness. Is that persons sin of theft forgiven even if never asking to be forgiven, just because they changed their mind?
What deeds are we judged by, the deeds we did while alive, before we died, or by the deeds we do after we are resurrected "during" judgment day?
Sin is invented nonsense.
Religion creates sin in order to sell you the cure it alone pretends to have.
In your view there is just Dharma. I'm not interested in Dharma, whatever that is. I believe Jesus Christ.
Lol really?
If you knew what Dharma meant you probably would care about at least the idea of it albiet in a Christian way.
Unfortunately there is no good translation but in Hinduism it's basically the foundation of morality and rightful living as well as the laws of nature that allow things to exist and interact and for harmony between those things to be possible. Without Dharma there is no balance, no way for things to exist and no foundation for morality... for the Hindu anyway.
I would think that you as a Christian would have a similar concept about the nature of your god fulfilling these roles, no?
Lol really?
If you knew what Dharma meant you probably would care about at least the idea of it albiet in a Christian way.
Unfortunately there is no good translation but in Hinduism it's basically the foundation of morality and rightful living as well as the laws of nature that allow things to exist and interact and for harmony between those things to be possible. Without Dharma there is no balance, no way for things to exist and no foundation for morality... for the Hindu anyway.
I would think that you as a Christian would have a similar concept about the nature of your god fulfilling these roles, no?
The Lord God Almighty, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, is holy.
Hebrews 1:3 (ESV Strong's) 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.
That quote comes from the witnesses "What Does the Bible Really Teach" book.
"The apostle John also saw “the dead . . . standing before the throne” of judgment. As Jesus promised, “those in the memorial tombs will hear [Christ’s] voice and come out” by means of a resurrection."
The Bible says: “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7)
"Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak."
Nothing twisted about that!
God requires a perfect, spotless sacrifice for sin, there is now way He would accept a humans death as a sacrifice for sin. The witnesses teach they are imperfect, sinful people, God will not accept an imperfect sacrifice for sin.
The highest penalty under God's law was death. The dead have paid 'sin's wages' and thanks to Christ's ransom, can be resurrected with a fresh start....forgiven for their past deeds, often committed in ignorance. Do you have a disagreement with that?
If Jesus is going to call "both the righteous and the unrighteous" from their graves....(not from the spirit realm) then those "sleeping in death" will be given opportunity to live under Christ's rulership for a thousand years
For the majority, it will be their first opportunity to hear the good news
Billions of people down through the centuries have lived and died not knowing Christ or the true God
If you are forgiven, why do you need to pay for past sins? I don't get it?
The dead have paid 'sin's wages' and thanks to Christ's ransom
My goal with this thread is to show that the witnesses, who claim to be the "only true religion" teach that we are not judged for the way we live our life "before" we die, because we are acquitted of our sins when we die, and are resurrected with a clean slate to start afresh "during" judgment day.
Witnesses teach they are imperfect (aka inherited sin to some). He doesn't accept an imperfect sacrifice (a blemished lamb, for example), so one repents and follows god with deeds not just words. When one dies, they sleep until judgement day. People are judge for their deeds/sins/transgressions. People who do not go to god do not live forever but actually die. Those who score an A on god's test live on a new earth or new eden. @Deeje That's how I interpreted it. I never read all the watchtowers. Deeje would have to correct me.
Exactly, the Bible says we will be judged for our deeds, I agree 100%. The witnesses however, teach that we will NOT be judged for our deeds while alive, but for our deeds "during" judgment day.
*** bh p. 214 par. 3 Judgment Day—What Is It? ***
Are these scrolls the record of people’s past deeds? No, the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died.
*** bh p. 215 Judgment Day—What Is It? ***
Thus, individuals will be judged on the basis of what they do during Judgment Day.
Because they teach that by the death of the imperfect human, the person is acquitted from their sins.
So one is forgiven "before" one dies, not acquitted by an imperfect death!
This is what JW believe as far as I know, they aren't judged before but after (as you quoted), so I'm confused with what you're disagreeing with?
Yes, I am in disagreement with that.
Do you understand "paid wages"? I don't think you do. The way you are explaining it, it should say, 'the dead have paid sin it's wages'. You're saying we pay sin the wages of death. That's wrong, sin pays us the wage of death.
Romans 6:23 (ESV Strong's) 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The wage sin PAYS US is death, we don't pay sin death. Do you work? The wage your job pays is money, does that mean you pay the money, or your employer?
I don't agree with that, except for the few tribes that live in remote parts of the world. Most people have heard of God or Jesus, and have refused to learn or have rejected them.
The Bible has been around for a long, long time. Billions of people have heard of God, but have rejected Him or never took the time to learn.
If you are forgiven, how can you be acquitted of something that doesn't exist? Since witnesses teach that one is acquitted of sin when they die, if you're forgiven, what are you being acquitted of?
So, Christ's ransom wasn't good enough? People still have to pay the dept with death?
That's like saying, they paid the ransom to set the kidnapped person free, but the kidnapped person still has to pay something to be set free.
Jesus paid the ransom, He was the sacrifice for sin, why do we still have to pay with death? That's paying twice!
We do not claim to be "the only true religion",
We do not claim to be "the only true religion", but the only ones fully adhering to the teachings of Jesus Christ.....all of them, not just the convenient ones. We are Christians in the true sense of the word because we will not shed blood for any human government and we will not support the devil's world by following its politics, its greed and immorality, or its false religion. We are known for fulfilling Matthew 28:19-20 but Christendom, by and large, ignores it or makes excuses as to why they don't witness in this time of the end. (Ezekiel 3:17-21)
Those who had no knowledge of God (the "unrighteous") will also be resurrected to undergo a spiritual education program, as God's people have always done.
That is true...it's all in the way you twist it to make a drama where there isn't one.
Come on Deeje, is this comment, 'theocratic warfare'? You don't come right out and say, 'we are the only true religion', but answer this question, truthfully, if you can.
Which religion, church/congregation, outside of the Jehovah's Witnesses, do you identify with as not being part of the "world empire of FALSE religion'?