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Katzpur said:Of course not. He was addressing His Father in prayer. I don't know of anyone who prays to himself.
And he called this "thee" in that passage the only true God.
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Katzpur said:Of course not. He was addressing His Father in prayer. I don't know of anyone who prays to himself.
Mr_Spinkles said:I think that those who believe that Muslims, Jews, Catholics, etc. are all worshipping the same god have assumed, without justification, that there can only be one god. I see no reason to dismiss the possibility that there are many gods, and that each conception of god corresponds to the metaphysical existence of a unique supernatural being.
I assume , without much justification other then it is simpler for me , that there was only one Creator , therefoth there is only one God . Now , as that Creator is everything , then yes , there can be as many asspects to the Creator as there are creations , but there just remains only one complete Creator .Mr_Spinkles said:I think that those who believe that Muslims, Jews, Catholics, etc. are all worshipping the same god have assumed, without justification, that there can only be one god. I see no reason to dismiss the possibility that there are many gods, and that each conception of god corresponds to the metaphysical existence of a unique supernatural being.
Even if each of these "aspects" of the Creator, like each individual human, has its own unique thoughts, feelings, powers and decisions?Kreeden said:I assume , without much justification other then it is simpler for me , that there was only one Creator , therefoth there is only one God . Now , as that Creator is everything , then yes , there can be as many asspects to the Creator as there are creations , but there just remains only one complete Creator .
You're saying that you don't believe a person can believe in as many gods as they wish?michel said:I see no reason to beleive that you can believe in as many Gods as you wish;
I think I may have been unclear. I'm saying that it is possible that the Hindu, the Muslim, the Christian, the Greek, etc., gods all exist as seperate, unique entities (rather than them simply being different conceptions of a single entity).michel said:for me, I'll just stick to the one I know about, and believe in- that bit I highlighted in red means absolutely nothing to me. You are basically saying (as far as I understand)"Each belief in God represents the abstract form of a particular God"
What I "almost" was trying to say was that there is no reason to assume, as far as I can see, that there can only be one god.michel said:- well, that means bothing as far as I can see - you are almost saying if you believe in God, you believe in God..............
Beats me ? I don't know what God is thinking . Or how God thinks for that matter . As I said , I try to keep it simple . { KISS : keep it simple stupid , that's me motto } .Mr_Spinkles said:Even if each of these "aspects" of the Creator, like each individual human, has its own unique thoughts, feelings, powers and decisions?
That's all well and good, Kreeden, but it's not relevant to the question I posed. I didn't ask if you knew what God was thinking, I asked: "[Could there be more than one god] If each of these 'aspects' of the Creator, like each individual human, has its own unique thoughts, feelings, powers and decisions?" Basically, I'm asking if there could be more than one god. (In my opinion, the answer is clearly 'yes'.)Kreeden said:Beats me ? I don't know what God is thinking .
Personally I find it more reasonable for there to be only one God. The very fact that differences + free will IN a deity allows for the possibility of trouble/confusion. If it's one person calling the shots it solves things easier and with less confusion. The ONENESS if followed properly would be easier to get order.What I "almost" was trying to say was that there is no reason to assume, as far as I can see, that there can only be one god.
Mr_Spinkles said:Even if each of these "aspects" of the Creator, like each individual human, has its own unique thoughts, feelings, powers and decisions?
You're saying that you don't believe a person can believe in as many gods as they wish?
I think I may have been unclear. I'm saying that it is possible that the Hindu, the Muslim, the Christian, the Greek, etc., gods all exist as seperate, unique entities (rather than them simply being different conceptions of a single entity).
What I "almost" was trying to say was that there is no reason to assume, as far as I can see, that there can only be one god.
I don't really want to disagree with you, but I would point out that Islam recognise Jesus as a prophet. If you take this pie chart of the distribution in Faiths, the majority do believe in Jesus (even if there are variations in how he is perceived). Just Christianity and Islam account for over 59% of the World's population.khan1955 said:well any way jesus belivers are not a religion but a personal relationship,it's a belief in a person who is God,and faith in what He has promised will come to pass.It's a narrow way because look at the mirdids of beliefs that are out in the world now,so really in all the world jesus people are really few and a minority in reality
Melody said:Peace,
I also do not have the least doubt and am sure I am on the correct path. I am 100% sure that the teachings of Christianity are true and beliebe that Christ is God...just as He wishes me to believe.
Absolutely true Michel!michel said:I don't really want to disagree with you, but I would point out that Islam recognise Jesus as a prophet. If you take this pie chart of the distribution in Faiths, the majority do believe in Jesus (even if there are variations in how he is perceived). Just Christianity and Islam account for over 59% of the World's population.
In the Quran God addresses Muslims as believers. so if you go through the Quran you will find "O you who believe" "believers"...Sabio said:Peace,
I am looking for a quote from the Qu'ran where Allah declares that he loves man or the followers of Islam, I've been using an online Qu'ran word search at: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchquran.html
Can you provide a verse or verses?
Thanks
Sabio
When discussing the supernatural, what one person "finds more reasonable" is entirely irrelevant. I don't find an omnibenevolent, omnipotent god who allows evil to exist to be "reasonable", but believers in the aforementioned deity will simply dismiss that concern with "I don't pretend to comprehend god's ways....etc, etc." Most theists concede that some of what they believe may not seem "reasonable", but they believe it anyway, because what kind of arrogant know-it-all would reject something simply because it doesn't make sense to them?Victor said:Personally I find it more reasonable for there to be only one God.
Again, totally irrelevant. If we are talking about supernatural beings, what is possible/impossible depends only on what we choose to imagine. I can, if I wish, imagine a council of beings running the universe with perfect precision and order, or conversely I can imagine a single, incompetent deity trying to micromanage and instead causing wars, famine, and tsunamis. You may believe that the "ONENESS" is easiest to "get order", but there is absolutely no reason (other than personal preference) to embrace this assumption with respect to supernatural beings.Victor said:The very fact that differences + free will IN a deity allows for the possibility of trouble/confusion. If it's one person calling the shots it solves things easier and with less confusion. The ONENESS if followed properly would be easier to get order.
I get your drift, in the sense that that is what you are comfortable with and therefore that is what you choose to beleive. However, any claims regarding which configuration of supernatural entities is "more likely" or "makes more sense" are utterly baseless. It's a bit contradictory, I think, to reject polytheism on the grounds that it "doesn't make sense" while embracing a theism which is "incomprehensible". Theists, of all people, should know that the supernatural is in no way constrained by what "makes sense" to us. :tsk:michel said:Ah I see where you are (so to speak) now; No, theologically, I think it far less likely that there are multiple Gods, each one for each religion. The way I see it, it would make more sense if you could imagine the set up as being a bit like the forum; OK we have mods for each forum (say), but Todd is the 'Boss' - I can imagine the prophets as being 'Mods' with Todd as being God, if you get my drift........
Melody said:Every so often I see someone say that we all worship the same God...but how can that be if the basic philosophies differ? For example, how can a muslim or Christian ever believe they worship the same God since there is a vast difference in the belief systems?
Looking forward to the responses.
You are correct.Peace said:So dear Melody, we shall wait till the day of judgement and see who is right and who is wrong. I am sure of my beliefs and you are sure of your beliefs and God, who is a Just God, will judge between us, Agree? I believe No other solution is there?
Peace