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Do we all worship the same God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Melody, Jul 24, 2005.

  1. Jensen

    Jensen Active Member

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    And he called this "thee" in that passage the only true God.
     
  2. Mr Spinkles

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    I think that those who believe that Muslims, Jews, Catholics, etc. are all worshipping the same god have assumed, without justification, that there can only be one god. I see no reason to dismiss the possibility that there are many gods, and that each conception of god corresponds to the metaphysical existence of a unique supernatural being.
     
  3. michel

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    I see no reason to beleive that you can believe in as many Gods as you wish; for me, I'll just stick to the one I know about, and believe in- that bit I highlighted in red means absolutely nothing to me. You are basically saying (as far as I understand)"Each belief in God represents the abstract form of a particular God" - well, that means bothing as far as I can see - you are almost saying if you believe in God, you believe in God...............:jam:
     
  4. kreeden

    kreeden Virus of the Mind

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    I assume , without much justification other then it is simpler for me , that there was only one Creator , therefoth there is only one God . Now , as that Creator is everything , then yes , there can be as many asspects to the Creator as there are creations , but there just remains only one complete Creator .
     
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    Even if each of these "aspects" of the Creator, like each individual human, has its own unique thoughts, feelings, powers and decisions?

    You're saying that you don't believe a person can believe in as many gods as they wish? :confused:

    I think I may have been unclear. I'm saying that it is possible that the Hindu, the Muslim, the Christian, the Greek, etc., gods all exist as seperate, unique entities (rather than them simply being different conceptions of a single entity).

    What I "almost" was trying to say was that there is no reason to assume, as far as I can see, that there can only be one god. :)
     
  6. DreamQuickBook

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    It seems as rational, to me, to believe in all the gods, as it is to believe in one, or several or none. There seem to be an awful lot of religions... why should there be just one god. I try to assume that all the gods and goddesses exist. That way, when I talk to people who believe in one god or another, I can communicate with them about gods and the like. This makes it easier for people to understand my god, when I make a habit of trying to understand other people's gods. In the end, if there are no gods, at least we all got to make our lives a little more interesting and indulge our imaginations a bit.
     
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  7. kreeden

    kreeden Virus of the Mind

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    Beats me ? I don't know what God is thinking . :) Or how God thinks for that matter . As I said , I try to keep it simple . { KISS : keep it simple stupid , that's me motto } . ;)

    I should add to that I guess . We all have a limited ability of understanding , so I don't claim to understand the Creator . I just accept Him as I see Him .
     
  8. Mr Spinkles

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    That's all well and good, Kreeden, but it's not relevant to the question I posed. I didn't ask if you knew what God was thinking, I asked: "[Could there be more than one god] If each of these 'aspects' of the Creator, like each individual human, has its own unique thoughts, feelings, powers and decisions?" Basically, I'm asking if there could be more than one god. (In my opinion, the answer is clearly 'yes'.)

    To clarify: Do you or do you not concede that there could be more than one god?
     
  9. kreeden

    kreeden Virus of the Mind

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    As I said , I don't claim to Totally understand the Creator . For me , there is only the One , but yes , it is quite possible there are many .

    Hmmm , I don't know why , perhaps it is my Christian background ? But for some reason I tend to think that even if there are several , there would have to be a connection somehow ? The world as we know it is too orderly for several beings controling it every which way . The concept of two or more groups of deities , fighting over whatever , has never made much sense to me . I think that the world would be in even worst condition if that were the case . And if that were the case , how did they ever agree upon how to make the world in the first place ? But then , just because something doesn't make sense to me , doesn't mean it couldn't be . :) Quite a few things don't make sense to me .
     
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    Personally I find it more reasonable for there to be only one God. The very fact that differences + free will IN a deity allows for the possibility of trouble/confusion. If it's one person calling the shots it solves things easier and with less confusion. The ONENESS if followed properly would be easier to get order.

    ~Victor
     
  11. michel

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    Ah I see where you are (so to speak) now; No, theologically, I think it far less likely that there are multiple Gods, each one for each religion. The way I see it, it would make more sense if you could imagine the set up as being a bit like the forum; OK we have mods for each forum (say), but Todd is the 'Boss' - I can imagine the prophets as being 'Mods' with Todd as being God, if you get my drift........

    Though that would pose a problem as to Jesus, because he is the only begotten Son of God - perhaps he delagated prophets for the other faiths - I don't know, now that's an interesting point..........

    And no Todd that was not literall, don't go thinking I look upon you as God!:biglaugh:
     
  12. khan1955

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    Well in all the world ,there is just one person telling everyone how to get to heaven, and that's Jesus, so who is phophet Jesus of the koran,it's not the same Jesus,need to read Hebrews and Revelations,there isn't any so called beliefs that can answer that or those books.That is why after Revelations there aren't any more books in the Bible,it's finished and you either believe or you don't.
     
  13. khan1955

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    well any way jesus belivers are not a religion but a personal relationship,it's a belief in a person who is God,and faith in what He has promised will come to pass.It's a narrow way because look at the mirdids of beliefs that are out in the world now,so really in all the world jesus people are really few and a minority in reality
     
  14. michel

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    I don't really want to disagree with you, but I would point out that Islam recognise Jesus as a prophet. If you take this pie chart of the distribution in Faiths, the majority do believe in Jesus (even if there are variations in how he is perceived). Just Christianity and Islam account for over 59% of the World's population.
     
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    So dear Melody, we shall wait till the day of judgement and see who is right and who is wrong. I am sure of my beliefs and you are sure of your beliefs and God, who is a Just God, will judge between us, Agree? I believe No other solution is there? :)

    Peace
     
  16. Peace

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    Absolutely true Michel!

    Peace
     
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    In the Quran God addresses Muslims as believers. so if you go through the Quran you will find "O you who believe" "believers"...
    However, the word Muslim is mentioned nevertheless.
    God says:"One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims." 61-89


    Islam is mentioned so many times, which is submission to God's will.
    You can of course find the word love in the Quran, that God loves those who do good deeds ......
    And there are so many holy hadiths that shows and talks about God's love to Man.

    Peace
     
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    When discussing the supernatural, what one person "finds more reasonable" is entirely irrelevant. I don't find an omnibenevolent, omnipotent god who allows evil to exist to be "reasonable", but believers in the aforementioned deity will simply dismiss that concern with "I don't pretend to comprehend god's ways....etc, etc." Most theists concede that some of what they believe may not seem "reasonable", but they believe it anyway, because what kind of arrogant know-it-all would reject something simply because it doesn't make sense to them? :cool:

    Again, totally irrelevant. If we are talking about supernatural beings, what is possible/impossible depends only on what we choose to imagine. I can, if I wish, imagine a council of beings running the universe with perfect precision and order, or conversely I can imagine a single, incompetent deity trying to micromanage and instead causing wars, famine, and tsunamis. You may believe that the "ONENESS" is easiest to "get order", but there is absolutely no reason (other than personal preference) to embrace this assumption with respect to supernatural beings.

    I get your drift, in the sense that that is what you are comfortable with and therefore that is what you choose to beleive. :) However, any claims regarding which configuration of supernatural entities is "more likely" or "makes more sense" are utterly baseless. It's a bit contradictory, I think, to reject polytheism on the grounds that it "doesn't make sense" while embracing a theism which is "incomprehensible". Theists, of all people, should know that the supernatural is in no way constrained by what "makes sense" to us. :tsk:
     
  19. Kowalski

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    No, we don't at all. They say we do, but since when was Yaweh residing near the Star Kolob, which our Mormon friends insist he,oops, it is doing. I mean how many light years away is that !!

    K
     
  20. Melody

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    You are correct.
     
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