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Featured Do supernatural movies take away from the spiritual message of Abrahamic faiths?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Epic Beard Man, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Epic Beard Man

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    From the exorcist to the movie Legion, as a moviegoer myself, I had always wondered whether these types of movies take away the spiritual essence of Abrahamic faiths. In my understanding of movies, it is surely about entertainment, an appeal to our senses to stimulate us in the drama of action, suspense and even sorrow. I feel sometimes the imagery that is presented in film somehow takes away the seriousness of both doctrine and the metaphysical elements that are associated with divine providence. Don't get me wrong, these movies are quite entertaining, but in all seriousness if I'm going to take demonic possession seriously, then perhaps films like the following (which I find exhaustively hilarious) do in fact comically interrupt the spiritual essence of "God's message":



     
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    I'm not a huge fan of movies. Almost every one of them has details you can disagree on. Recently I watched a science movie that had qualified scientific advisory, and even it had several details that made me feel it was false. Spiritual movies aren't any different. It's the depth of the director and actors that they can reach that's the problem. With more literal religious beliefs, there's also the problem of competing views as to what constitutes True Religion X. Abrahamic religions are very divided in their views. If you take an "average" Abrahamic from one country and another you're going to have conflicts of views that when spoken seem to often spoil the soup for both of them.
     
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    Not for people who are adept at distinguishing movies and other fantasies (including parodies) from reality.
     
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    A lot of these movies may be an afront to traditional Abrahamic views. Especially ones like the one mentioned Legion where there is a hero antagonist, making the villain the good guy. Making it a good thing to fight against a god tired of humanity. Even movies like city of angels is an example of showing a certain mobility to being a fallen angel. You have shows like Lucifer showing the villains side of the story. More than the actual supernatural stuff what fascinates me is the character plots and the overall religious and spiritual views being portrayed in movies with supernatural aspects.
     
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    Spiritual message? yes, I'd say absolutely. But I don't think they are even attempting to create something representing [said Abrahamic religion] in the first place. Usually it's not worth watching either, IMO.

    Ironically (and honestly sadly) the same goes for most of the movies that come out from related churches themselves. They fall into self-parody and ridicule because they don't even understand their own religion (and treat it as propaganda than anything truly meaningful) - therefore giving more negative exposure.


    Just my thoughts.
     
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    Guess I'd better quit enjoying Percy Jackson books then. It might skew my views about the deities :rolleyes:

    What @Axe Elf said. Most people can distinguish a movie/fiction from other aspects of life.
     
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    If the plot, the script and actors are good, like any movie, its a combination for great entertainment. I loved 'the omen', 'ghost', 'stigmata', 'the devil's advocate', etc.
     
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    I think that there are many people who have bipolar disorder, probably about 2% of the population. They will have to be careful what they watch, because it can confuse them.

    A lot of these kinds of movies are made by artists: people who wish to use the story as a medium to convey various messages. You do not know what the message is until you see the film, and it may have different messages for people with different kinds of lives. Very often the movie assumes you already know the story and uses that to convey its own message.
     
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    What do you mean by "the spiritual essence?" What "spiritual essence?"
     
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    I think it's predicated in the notion that the Abrahamic religions actually know what they are talking about and are not as guilty as Hollywood for making things up as they go.
     
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    Certain environments and situations attempt to be uplifting, others to be distracting, cathartic or just funny.

    Movies fall all over the place on that spectrum, albeit with a certain categorization due to their origins.

    I am not sure that is a problem, since these days people have all but complete access to the whole spectrum as they see fit.

    It seems to me that people should make an attempt at deciding what to value and for what reason.
     
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    Indeed, that is a significant consideration as well.

    Messages, spiritual or otherwise, can and will be misrepresented and misunderstood.

    If the subject matter has any importance, those who value it will make an effort not only on presenting it accurately, but also (and IMO more significantly) on achieving mechanisms and protocols to perceive and correct any significant mistakes of either representation or understanding.

    I just don't see how anyone can fail to do that and still claim in good faith to care for the subject matter. If even marbles need a measure of attention and care, so much more do spiritual messages.
     
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  13. Epic Beard Man

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    meaning the intrinsic quality
     
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    If it is intrinsic, then it can't really be harmed by a misrepresentation, I would think.
     
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    Which or what intrinsic quality?
     
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    Ok that is your opinion hence the question within the OP
     
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    The sacredness of being connected with divine providence, that is, figures such as angels, prophets, people with divinely inspired foresight. The question poses that could movies such as legion which may not accurately depict angels and/or their behavior and in knowing that, could that take away the essence of spirituality? Now, to be clear when I mean take away I'm referring to the presentation not literally. For example if I watch the movie Legion, does the movie even with its entertainment value does it take away from the essence of what angels truly are?
     
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    Um ok...It kills me why you or anyone else participate in these threads if you think ultimately it is stupid.
     
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    Well, it's because there is more than a whiff of arrogance in the great bulk of religious claims.
     
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    According to your experiences and there are those that aren't arrogant. It's arrogance to presume this is the totality of a group.
     
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