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Do Muslim women believe that Islam protects women's rights more than other religions?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by danieldemol, May 26, 2017.

  1. LuisDantas

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    It very often is, but it is a serious mistake to read too much into it.

    For one, you should consider that to a very large extent that disdain is a direct response, even a defense, against the combination of Islaam's judgmental nature and its remarkable lack of both ability and interest in understanding and reaching out to non-Muslims.

    In other words, that is true... largely because Islaam insists in asking for it to be so.
     
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    If a critique is to be made of any faith in the case Islam, then I would encourage people to invite Muslims to discuss these inquiries otherwise wouldn't it be just a way to complain about what we dislike?
     
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    If you were a Muslim, would you be able to defend your Islamic ideology?
     
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    Sure. But honestly, after years of observation I have come to conclude that Islaam just does not cooperate, and is more than likely not to survive honest critique.

    It is frequent enough for apologists of Islaam to have a hard time even noticing how unconvincing their arguments are, and how their truistic premises are not likely to even occur to non-Muslims.

    In a nutshell, Islaam as a doctrine does not really sustain its own weight, despite the passionate insistence of so many.
     
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    I have noticed that whenever a Muslim phones in to a talk radio show they refuse to enter into a discussion with the host.

    All they want to do is say their prepared piece by shouting down anyone that tries to interject and hang up.

    Refusal to debate must be part of their culture.
     
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    Come to think of it, Citizen Khan didn’t take his wife to the Mosque.

     
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    Yes.
     
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    By all means, point out how that could be done.
     
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    I'm not Muslim why would I defend a faith I'm not a part of?
     
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    Out of a sense of fairness, I would assume?

    What else would you mean by the claim that you could defend it?
     
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    Incorrect.eating hummus is part of our 'culture'.
    As a Muslim I don't mind taking part in a discussion, but I don't take part in debates where people are just repeating the same things like a broken record. I can't speak for other Muslims on RF but I'm not here to convince people that 1.6 bilion Muslims aren't evil.
    RF is not a courtroom , I'm not here to defend anything and I'm not guilty until proven innocent. I'll take part in a discussion if I think it's beneficial. If I don't think the discussion is useful, I waste my time by calling a random radio show so I can say my prepared piece on the superiority of hummus. And of course shout at anyone who dares to disagree with me while at the same time I refuse to go into a debate because it's part of our 'culture'.
     
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    Don't you think that the fact that Islam believes that the Quran is a direct dictation from God through an angel makes social reform difficult in Islamic society? Given that there are direct Quranic verses allowing polygamy for men, beating of wives by husbands and unequal distribution of property between sons and daughters, the application of reform can be declared unislamic and blocked. Is that not the case? After all, if God said thee practices are OK, how can a mere human disallow them?
     
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    This is just one example, but because this host refused to be shouted down, he has been accused of making a ‘racist, bigoted’ comment to a Muslim caller.

    Nick Ferrari tells Muslim caller to 'go some place else' if he doesn't like foreign policy

    It is worth reading the comments for public opinion.
     
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    But it's not fair and it would be wrong of me to take a Muslim's position. I could argue from a philisophical point of view but the religious explanation should be done by a Muslim that is knowledgable.
     
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    That is the problem. Your average Muslim is not knowledgeable. A major fulcrum of Islam is to keep its followers in the dark as much as possible as it must not be questioned.

    That might become more difficult because of the internet, which is probably why Saudi Arabia is ploughing a lot of money into indoctrinating the young Muslims of the West.
     
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    The average person who argues against Islam is also not knowledgable and often times get their information from those that tend to cherry pick scriptures from the Qur'an or from hard-right conservative Christian sites.
     
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    I just don't understand why it is not fair to try and put oneself in someone else's shoes.
     
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    And that is the good news for those who want to protect Islaam's reputation, unfortunately.

    I, at least, became far more of a hard-line critic once I did acquire some better knowledge. Much of it came from actual defenders and apologists of Islaam.
     
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    You may not class me as knowledgeable but at least I can question Islam without fear of being ostracised from the community. I wonder how many unknowledgeable Muslims approach their Imams on a regular basis to ask difficult and probing questions. If they did, they would be branded as troublemakers at the very least.

    Do you have some better sites than the ones that I use and for which I provide links?
     
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    Because I don't know everything about Islam to have a justifiable position to discuss this even in a devil's advocate position. From the brief readings I've seen of yours, you dislike Islam which is fine, but as the other Muslim respondent said, you guys are looking to argue not discuss.
     
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