Do all lives matter?

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity and became rather docile in prison, he had to be escorted by guards. Even before he was caught, he had a hard time coping with his horrible actions and struggled with committing murder. He still did it, but it wasn't easy for him.



Most serial killers struggle with homicidal idealization, and in many cases that homicidal ideation comes from pathologically externalized suicidal thoughts. In Dahmer's case, he tried to keep his victims alive on numerous occasions; he was just deathly afraid of being alone and abandoned.

I'm not sure if he could have been rehabilitated, or if the outcome would have been different if his pathology was treated before he went down the path he took, but we'll never know that because he was murdered in prison by another inmate. I do know that most people who are scorned as too hard-hearted to reach aren't always, and that scorn has made it harder to treat people with stigmatized mental illnesses such as B-cluster personality disorders.

I'm not saying there isn't anyone that matches your description, but I don't think humans are very good at judging who is beyond saving and who isn't. Who do you think should make that judgment call, and how many unnecessary deaths are you willing to risk for that?

Once in a great while, I wonder how God feels about Adolf Hitler. But what I know to be true about God is that He him too. But had no problem letting him burn in hell!

 

[Twilight Hue]

So does life imprisonment. The difference is you can free the wrongly convicted, but you can't resurrect them. I simply can't trust the system to not **** up. Also, death is an escape. A life confined leaves one trapped to reflect upon their actions and consequences.

What good is that going to do?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not just compassion, but an understanding of cause and effect.

Yeah like releasing people knowing full well they are going to repeat their crimes and even kill again.

That's happened too many times to ignore.

I have a very good understanding of cause and effect.

It's more compassionate to not let these people back in the society to harm those who don't deserve it. Or even remove them completely out of the picture.

I have a very good understanding of compassion as well.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity and became rather docile in prison, he had to be escorted by guards. Even before he was caught, he had a hard time coping with his horrible actions and struggled with committing murder. He still did it, but it wasn't easy for him.

Most serial killers struggle with homicidal idealization, and in many cases that homicidal ideation comes from pathologically externalized suicidal thoughts. In Dahmer's case, he tried to keep his victims alive on numerous occasions; he was just deathly afraid of being alone and abandoned.

I'm not sure if he could have been rehabilitated, or if the outcome would have been different if his pathology was treated before he went down the path he took, but we'll never know that because he was murdered in prison by another inmate. I do know that most people who are scorned as too hard-hearted to reach aren't always, and that scorn has made it harder to treat people with stigmatized mental illnesses such as B-cluster personality disorders.

I'm not saying there isn't anyone that matches your description, but I don't think humans are very good at judging who is beyond saving and who isn't. Who do you think should make that judgment call, and how many unnecessary deaths are you willing to risk for that?

Jeffrey Dahmer should've been placed in a psychiatric institute. Same with Aileen Wuornos. But ones like Bundy? I have no problem with them being executed. He obviously enjoyed it.

 

[exchemist]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

Of course.

But I'm not ticking your box because of the point @Lyndon makes. I don't want my vote abused to support partisan rhetoric I don't agree with. I don't accuse you of that intention but the risk is obvious, given that "All lives matter" has become a slogan used to belittle the grievance of the sufferers from racism.

 

[osgart]

Wow, not my intention! I didn't even know that!

 

[oldbadger]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

I voted 'other'.
I cannot answer for billions of people.
My perceptions and genuine feelings can only reach out to people who I have heard about, seen or known. I can 'feel' for people but I have no idea about their worth.

A lot of people don't think that they themselves have worth, and I sure could talk with them about reviewing that.
And I can feel for folks who I have heard about, like Mr Floyd.

 

[oldbadger]

Oh yes it has. death has a way of preventing that individual from ever committing a heinous crime ever again.

Tell that to Mr Evans, the innocent Welshman who was executed for a murder that he did not commit. We've executed so many innocents here in the UK.

 

[osgart]

I voted 'other'.
I cannot answer for billions of people.
My perceptions and genuine feelings can only reach out to people who I have heard about, seen or known. I can 'feel' for people but I have no idea about their worth.

A lot of people don't think that they themselves have worth, and I sure could talk with them about reviewing that.
And I can feel for folks who I have heard about, like Mr Floyd.

I unconsciously treaded upon a movement when I just really wanted to know how people felt about this. Thankyou for your honest answer!

Black Lives Matter!

 

[Father Heathen]

What good is that going to do?

Potentially more than an expensive execution that, due to a flawed system, could send an innocent man to their grave.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeah like releasing people knowing full well they are going to repeat their crimes and even kill again.

That's happened too many times to ignore.

I have a very good understanding of cause and effect.

It's more compassionate to not let these people back in the society to harm those who don't deserve it. Or even remove them completely out of the picture.

I have a very good understanding of compassion as well.

Again, because the system as it is fails to actually rehabilitate or properly assess prisoners.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course.

But I'm not ticking your box because of the point @Lyndon makes. I don't want my vote abused to support partisan rhetoric I don't agree with. I don't accuse you of that intention but the risk is obvious, given that "All lives matter" has become a slogan used to belittle the grievance of the sufferers from racism.

Another view is that we should avoid balkanization of groups victimized by government.
BLM is about racism.
ALM is about a system which abuses everyone.
Currently, the media ignore most victims, & make it about black vs white.
This should change so that all people demand changes in policing & cirminal justice.

 

[exchemist]

Another view is that we should avoid balkanization of groups victimized by government.
BLM is about racism.
ALM is about a system which abuses everyone.
Currently, the media ignore most victims, & make it about black vs white.
This should change so that all people demand changes in policing & cirminal justice.

I generally tend to agree with you about balkanisation. I have a personal detestation of identity politics, which we may discuss some other time.

However right now it is plain there is a real chance to reduce one particular, prevalent and insidious form of injustice highlighted by these events. So, given that one cannot fight on all fronts at once, I see value in parking other concerns for now and getting enough momentum behind this one to achieve some real and lasting change.

In fact, if the US gets out of it a national system for overseeing police conduct, that will address other injustices too, won't it?

 

[Prim969]

Another view is that we should avoid balkanization of groups victimized by government.
BLM is about racism.
ALM is about a system which abuses everyone.
Currently, the media ignore most victims, & make it about black vs white.
This should change so that all people demand changes in policing & cirminal justice.

Revoltingest I do agree policing methods in America have always been top heavy and very trigger happy to say the least. And pressing your knee on someone’s neck who is already handcuffed and not resisting arrest for that period of time is beyond any logical explanation maybe even 1st degree murder might be a better term for the crime. Hopefully many changes for the better arise from this tragedy. At the same chanting the slogan that only black lives matter is highly racist within itself All that does is add incendiaries to fan the flames of racial hatred on all sides and eventually a racial war. ALL LIVES MATTER. Contrary to what some have said here. It’s certainly not a term for playing the white mans card or anyone’s else’s race for that matter..Simply because there was only ever one race evolving through many different cultures to begin with.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

All lives matter is just code for White Lives Matter More

I have always read "Black Lives Matter" to mean, in fact, "Black Lives Matter, too."

I say this as someone who fought for LGBT etc. rights years and years ago, and part of the creation of Toronto's first "Gay Pride" parade. But I never felt that "Pride" was what we were really about -- rather, I always held that it was that we were simply NOT going to be ashamed any longer just for being who we were.

 

[McBell]

All lives matter is just code for White Lives Matter More

Sad really, that so many people believe this nonsense.

 

[SESMeT]

For clarification, I voted that both criminals can and can't change because I think that some can and some can't. I also think that all lives matter. And I also, philosophically speaking, support the fundamental sentiment of BLM ... which to me is just, literally, that black lives matter.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Black lives don't matter to BLM. Check out their stance on abortion. Or their black-on-black crime.

Either all lives matter, or none do.

 

[ChristineM]

I ticked the single box "no". Although to me all lives matter and i would think (or like to think) everyone else cared for life in the whole general mishmash that is the universe i had to vote no. Just shout out to the universe "do lives matter" and the resounding silence of reply is deafening.