Do all lives matter?

[osgart]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

 

[Lyndon]

All lives matter is just code for White Lives Matter More

 

[osgart]

All lives matter is just code for White Lives Matter More

This is a horrible state of affairs, and not what I mean. I make no racial distinction, I include all races.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Society obviously doesn't think so, hence why Black Lives Matter exists.

 

[osgart]

Society obviously doesn't think so, hence why Black Lives Matter exists.

I agree, the thing for me is that we cannot continue to generalize and categorize all races in stereotypical ways.

 

[Spirit of Light]

All lives matter, not only human life.

 

[osgart]

All lives matter, not only human life.

I will say that all lives do matter. I believe in effective punishment, and reeducation of criminals. Though I don't punish lightly if I could do so. Mercy has its places!

 

[bobhikes]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

Why do you think that you need to ask? Do you believe differently?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I will say that all lives do matter. I believe in effective punishment, and reeducation of criminals. Though I don't punish lightly if I could do so. Mercy has its places!

Punishment in what form?

 

[osgart]

Why do you think that you need to ask? Do you believe differently?

I do believe all lives matter though it may take way more lifetimes then we have to achieve it in regards to some criminals.

I do not believe in the infallibility of people.

I ask because I consider it an important question. I do think evil can be conquered.

 

[osgart]

Punishment in what form?

In the case of say a Jeffrey Dahmer I believe the death penalty is warranted.
There are other evils that shouldn't see the light of a free day ever in this life.

But if we are eternal souls I believe that evil is a disease that can be conquered in everybody.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In the case of say a Jeffrey Dahmer I believe the death penalty is warranted.
There are other evils that shouldn't see the light of a free day ever in this life.

But if we are eternal souls I believe that evil is a disease that can be conquered in everybody.

Personally i do not believe in death penalty. It has not stopped others from doing evil deeds.

 

[osgart]

Personally i do not believe in death penalty. It has not stopped others from doing evil deeds.

No it has not done that, that's true. But some people are so hard hearted that they would test genuine justice for all of eternity if they could.

I don't see punishment as a deterrent for others. It only eventually deters those who go through the punishment.

I admit I'm only human and cannot see the deepest truthes about it.

 

[osgart]

I do not live with hatred in my heart even though I am willing to severely punish the worst of criminals. I am not their ultimate judge, and I would never play the role of God.

I do hope against hope there is a God in all of this.

 

[gnomon]

All lives matter is just code for White Lives Matter More

You've never paid the least bit of attention to the garbage drug war.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Almost all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

Not every human being but most of them.

There are some real monsters out there that don't qualify as being human imo.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Personally i do not believe in death penalty. It has not stopped others from doing evil deeds.

Oh yes it has. death has a way of preventing that individual from ever committing a heinous crime ever again.

 

[February-Saturday]

No it has not done that, that's true. But some people are so hard hearted that they would test genuine justice for all of eternity if they could.

I don't see punishment as a deterrent for others. It only eventually deters those who go through the punishment.

I admit I'm only human and cannot see the deepest truthes about it.

Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity and became rather docile in prison, he had to be escorted by guards. Even before he was caught, he had a hard time coping with his horrible actions and struggled with committing murder. He still did it, but it wasn't easy for him.

Most serial killers struggle with homicidal idealization, and in many cases that homicidal ideation comes from pathologically externalized suicidal thoughts. In Dahmer's case, he tried to keep his victims alive on numerous occasions; he was just deathly afraid of being alone and abandoned.

I'm not sure if he could have been rehabilitated, or if the outcome would have been different if his pathology was treated before he went down the path he took, but we'll never know that because he was murdered in prison by another inmate. I do know that most people who are scorned as too hard-hearted to reach aren't always, and that scorn has made it harder to treat people with stigmatized mental illnesses such as B-cluster personality disorders.

I'm not saying there isn't anyone that matches your description, but I don't think humans are very good at judging who is beyond saving and who isn't. Who do you think should make that judgment call, and how many unnecessary deaths are you willing to risk for that?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity and became rather docile in prison, he had to be escorted by guards. Even before he was caught, he had a hard time coping with his horrible actions and struggled with committing murder. He still did it, but it wasn't easy for him.

Most serial killers struggle with homicidal idealization, and in many cases that homicidal ideation comes from pathologically externalized suicidal thoughts. In Dahmer's case, he tried to keep his victims alive on numerous occasions; he was just deathly afraid of being alone and abandoned.

I'm not sure if he could have been rehabilitated, or if the outcome would have been different if his pathology was treated before he went down the path he took, but we'll never know that because he was murdered in prison by another inmate. I do know that most people who are scorned as too hard-hearted to reach aren't always, and that scorn has made it harder to treat people with stigmatized mental illnesses such as B-cluster personality disorders.

I'm not saying there isn't anyone that matches your description, but I don't think humans are very good at judging who is beyond saving and who isn't. Who do you think should make that judgment call, and how many unnecessary deaths are you willing to risk for that?

My wife works in forensic mental health, has seen some horrific things (or, more, dealt with people who'd done horrific things) and she'd completely agree with you.