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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Shantanu

    Shantanu Well-Known Member

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    Do you accept my religion of Satya-advaita or Truth Accommodation because it disregards all other religions as man-generated so for practical purposes it is the only religion that matters to be able to live constructively?
     
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    Maybe you can tell me about your religion?
     
  3. Shantanu

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    I believe God exists within and without and that one can have a one-to-one relationship with God who guides through thoughts planted into our minds if we live in devotion and surrender.
     
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    You have a very pure belief.
     
  5. Shantanu

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    In satya-advaita one lives to reality. It means accepting what is true and rejecting what is false. If prayers genuinely worked I would have prayed for a better life. But 20 years after my first introduction to God, prayers never worked and I am still in the cultural doldrums here in the United Kingdom with State-organised persecution.
     
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    And to think that only a few days before that, they were all so afraid from being rounded up by authorities that they went into hiding!

    The SUDDEN transformation from being terrified to being confidently bold - there's got to be something that made them so courageously confident!
    All of them, too! All willing to die for faith!
    That kind of transformation can only be from seeing and talking with the risen Lord.
     
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    Is just praying enough? Maybe you need to take some action that might improve or better your situation. If it is within you to answer your own prayer God won’t answer it for you.

    If we pray to God’ O God clean my house’ He has already given us hands and ability to do it ourselves so there is no need for Him to intervene.
     
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  8. Shantanu

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    I do not take any chances. I go and sort out my own difficulties myself. But the question remains as to when does God help? Does He help the common person at all? Perhaps God only helps those who help themselves is a grand Christian rule that I learnt when I was young? Or does He only help when one explicitly seeks help from Him in surrender? I have over time sought help and when I review the results which I have documented in my Diaries, I see that He helps sometimes and does not help at other times. So does He only consistently help His 'messengers' to fulfill their roles for humanity as He alone judges appropriate as perhaps His mission to intervene in the affairs of humans?

    I really do not yet know the answer to this question. It would be useful to obtain the view of Baha'i's.
     
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    I believe that there is plenty of guidance available to us but ultimately we have free will to choose to avail ourselves of it or not. God only offers us His wisdom and then the choice is ours.

    If we acknowledge that God knows what is best for us then we will follow in His ways. But Humanity often prefers Its will to God’s so we end up worse for wear because of own bad decisions.

    God allows us to make bad and wrong decisions hoping that we will eventually try His ways when we have suffered enough but He wants us to choose freely and does not impose His will upon us.
     
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    By following the satya-advaitic path that I have described one becomes infallible in one's decisions on actions. The decisions entail when if at anytime God's advice is to be sought directly (for this I have described the digital clock checking method that is failsafe), and when it is not judicious to do so because one is losing ones grip on reality. This infallibility comes from having had experience of God in which I have dwelt on for the better part of 20 years. Through satya-advaita one is therefore on top of all ones difficulties in life and thereby one has everything that one could possibly need to survive in dignity.
     
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    Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

    One may like to read my post #248 in another thread which is also relevant here.

    Regards
     
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    Sometimes, the help He gives is not in the form of help we expect.
    We usually see the hand of God in our life through hindsight - in our past, when we look back.

    He knows what is good for us. He always does what is good for us.
    We are like clay in the Potter's hands.
     
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    When you say, "you don't take any chances, you sort out your own difficulties yourself....." wouldn't that convey some doubts about God's response?

    To have faith is to have trust. TRUST in GOD!

    Believe me, even if you don't do anything but just give your problems to God and humbly ask Him to help you, you'll end up doing something to take you to the solution to your problem! Something will happen that will lead you to the solution!
    God will see to it!


    Yes! Oh, yes!


    "Helping ourselves....." is actually God working in us!

    Wouldn't the best way of helping one's self, be to humbly trust and rely on God?

    Also, when we do ask for God's help, we have to be humble to accept however or whatever form of help it is. Sometimes, the kind of help that is given or answer to our prayers, isn't the kind we expect. We have to humbly accept God's will.
     
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    That is not the kind of consultation that I have. I look for messages: if there is a positive message then I seek out what that message is on what I should do to counter State-organised persecution on me. The help I have received has always in expectation of that solution that I desire. I do not seek help in any other ways, like Oh God please save me from prostate cancer or diabetes. That is within myself to control and resolve and I must face self-inflicted reality, but evil persecution from others is a gross injustice and God is being asked to help me tackle that injustice if He is God for I did not ask to be a truth-seeking human being who found God. I should not have to pay the price for being God-loving and surrendering to Him in devotion. Right now I am waiting to hear something from KMPT Complaints on a representation that I have made concerning the mental health authorities here in the United Kingdom who are playing evil games with me, based on which I will know how to conduct myself with the Consultant Psychiatrist on 17 May 2019 at 10.45 am. If I do no get a reply to the email that I have sent I will have to reconsider my decision on whether to attend this appointment. How is God going to help me determine what I should do in this regard. I asked God whether He will tell me whether to go to the lion's den or not and He would not answer. So I am left to my own devices. I cannot rely on God to advise me on knowledge of what is good for me. I will have to take my own decisions and not seek help again unless I am desperate. He exists but He does not wish me to consult Him it is clear. He does not have a mission for me to accomplish in my life as His interjection in human affairs. He does not help the common man if He does not have to. I forced Him to help me in the past because I was blogging about Him so He must have been concerned about the impression people would form about Him from my blogs. Otherwise He has no particular interest in me.
     
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    I only know the satya-advaitic path to survival with dignity. I check with God to see if He has any messages for me on what I should be doing every moment of the day when questions arise. He answers sometimes and not at other times. I trust Him that things will come right for me in the end, but that would be through my own efforts at analysing events and taking appropriate steps to counter the persecution that I have been subjected to. I will not make it easy for the State to continue to persecute me. I will fight them with every bit of intelligence and wisdom that I have. If I do not have sufficient intelligence and wisdom to do it myself, I will ask God what I should do. If He does not answer, I would have it on record that He did not answer so He will have to account for Himself to humanity. I do not spare anyone, not even God from doing what is expected as a God.
     
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    Oh, okay. I was responding from a Christian perspective.

    I've had several experiences of prayers and questions being answered - and I must say, one or two of them indicate that God has a sense of humor!
    Three of them that I recall were answered in a matter of hours.

    Humbleness is a key ingredient. We don't make demands. We humbly ask.
     
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    That is Christianity for you: I do make demands of God. He has to be of some practical use to me. Why else would I want to be paying devotional reverences to God or even believe that He exists for me.
     
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    I get it that you don't really believe He exists?

    If you believe He exists - do you believe He's the Almighty Creator?
    If you believe He's your Almighty Creator - why do you think you and your demands matter at all, especially considering what you think and expect from Him? It's not like as if you're His only creation, is it?

    And, what is this about "benevolence?"
    If you think He isn't benevolent because He hasn't responded - if you were in His shoes, and someone insults you and make haughty demands from you (like it's an entitlement, or something for having been created by you), would you respond? Lol. I would. BUT I don't think my response will be anywhere near being "benevolent!" :) If I'm the Creator, and my creation has become such a pain on my side - Lol, I'd just erase him! After all - that's my prerogative as the Creator! I can do whatever I want with my creation just like an artist would have the prerogative to do whatever he wants with his work.

    Who does He answers, too?
    If He's the one and only almighty Creator - He doesn't have to answer to anyone!
    He doesn't have to explain Himself - He can't be held accountable to anything!
    The rules He gave to His creation does not apply to Him!
    He is outside His creation!

    That we haven't been struck by lightning as we stand, after so many offensive remarks towards Him, is evidence of His benevolence! That we can be forgiven if we ask for forgiveness, is another evidence.


    Anyway.....

    I mean, it is funny in a way - and kinda sad, too - a creation making arrogant demands from his Creator! It demonstrates the concept of an almighty GOD isn't fully grasped by some folks.
    Let me explain:
    In everyday life, how many people treat their boss that way? Can we be rude to our bosses and make demands? What happens when we do?


    Furthermore....

    If you do think He is your Creator - isn't it practical enough that you have been created and you now exists? As you've implied too, you can function without Him - so, why do you even pray for help?
    That you even waste your time making lists of His responses to you.......that's, what I don't get.


    Please explain.....why do you bother?
     
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    Whether God exists or not is immaterial to the need for me to sort out my persecutors within the UK State and its allies: if He helps me in doing that I will sing his praises. I do not concern myself with who is the Creator and who is the Preserver God. I am only interested in personal God to help me. I will Blog about it as I have done to date.

    On the bright side, only this morning He asked me to send an email to my wife (I live in the same house would you believe) in reply to the correspondence that I have had with the Mental Health authorities that she was copied into that was highly strategic in terms of the proceedings that are to take place over the next week. So I sing his praises for that. It shows that He takes His responsibilities as God seriously if one adopts the right approach in communicating with Him. This is done through the process of satya-advaita.

    The mental health authorities of the United Kingdom have nowhere to hide any more in classifying me as a mental patient suffering from persistent delusional disorder. I have determined all the truths that I needed to which had hitherto been hidden from the public.

    I bother because after suffering 20 years of State-organised persecution I have had enough. I put in a Claim for 10 million pounds in damages and compensation to be awarded to me from the UK Treasury for the State-organised persecution. Currently, this matter is with the Independent Office for Police Conduct because Kent Police did not act as required to apprehend the criminals who persecuted me. That needs to be determined one way or the other. And God has made it clear that He will help me with this.
     
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    jesus did not die, we are all jesus, you just don't know it yet John 3:16
     
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