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Featured Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    What claim would you like me to back up? Be specific and I will gladly do so. Sadly you have not been able to back up yours with valid sources.

    EDIT: And I do know that many apologists, not scholars, are liars for Jesus. That can be shown by their defenses of the obvious failures of the Bible.
     
  2. lukethethird

    lukethethird Well-Known Member

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    You and everyone else.
     
  3. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You would think that if a man proven dead by a Roman Centurion and sealed in a tomb, came back to life and was seen by hundreds of witnesses, that news would have gotten round and thus historians would have recorded the incident.

    Historical crickets.
     
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  4. Subduction Zone

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    Not to mention the mini zombie apocalypse.
     
  5. loverofhumanity

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    Then I take it you also must believe ‘let the dead bury the dead’ to mean physically dead people must bury the dead.
     
  6. paarsurrey

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    1. Why crucifixion?

    Jews wanted him to be killed through crucifixion, so they can prove that Jesus is not a beloved of God, rather the curse of God is on him. Jews could have killed him easily as they were in hundreds of thousands in number and very strong. If killing should have been their desire, they could have done it easily. Just like they paid thirty pieces of silver to one of his disciples, if they would have paid him more, he might have done this service too. But they wanted him to be crucified so they can prove that he is not from God, rather he is an imposter and a fabricator. If he was from God, then God will definitely save him. May be that was the reason that Jesus was so reluctant to suffer on the cross.

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    This also speaks of the fallibility of Bahaullah, Shoghi Effendi and UHJ.
    Right, please?

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  7. loverofhumanity

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    But in reality the Spirit Of Jesus did not die but lives on even in this day in the hearts of men.

    What I understand the Jews really wanted to do was destroy His Cause and they thought bodily death would have snuffed out His Faith. Everyone dies some day also Jesus but what happened is the disciples became despondent for a couple of days until Mary told them that the Lord, that is His Spirit lived on,

    Then the disciples had various visions which confirmed to them that His Spirit did not die.

    So 2019 years He still lives on in the hearts and minds of billions of people all around the world. So the Spirit Of Jesus was not crucified nor died but lives on eternally.
     
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    I am of the opinion that Jesus, like any other human, stayed dead once he had died. If he resurrected why didn't he stay down here on Earth?
     
  9. paarsurrey

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    An intelligent question.

    Regards
     
  10. paarsurrey

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    We are not discussing here the "spirit" but the person of Jesus. So, one's argument is fallacious.

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  11. loverofhumanity

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    Yes I understand that but Jesus was not His body. Jesus was His mind, consciousness and thought. The teachings of Jesus did not come from His body but His Spirit. It is not my body that is communicating with you but my spirit and mind. My body is just a vessel.
     
  12. paarsurrey

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    Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

    One may like to read my post #238 in another forum/thread, please.
    Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross, so there is no question of Jesus rising from the dead.

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  13. Muffled

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    I believe you are correct because your statement was all inclusive and I misconstrued it as saying it depended on whether I was indoctrinated. I should try to remember to read on to the end of sentences, lol
     
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    I believe the apostles stated that the leadership put out a fake new story that the body had been stolen.
     
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    I believe I understand things the way context dictates. The context is that of what living people would do. So the "dead" that are burying their dead are dead spiritually not physically. What kind of context do you use to negate the statement by Jesus that He is flesh and bone?
     
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    So, Jesus was only a human being having flesh and bones, not a god or a son of god, he never was.

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  17. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Honestly, if something that incredible had happened, such a story to the contrary would not have quelled it. It's like "the earth is round." All the flat earthers in the world can't suppress it.
     
  18. loverofhumanity

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    To me the reality of Jesus is His Spirit. The Bible says God is Spirit and to be worshipped in the spirit. So the body is of no importance in the Bible where worshipping God is concerned.

    John 4:24

    God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

    We believe that Jesus came in the flesh but today He is with us only in the Spirit.

    Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. His Spirit they could not kill which is what the Jews wanted to kill so that this movement would be discouraged and stopped but they could not kill His Spirit so the movement of Jesus enveloped the earth.

    Where is Jesus now? Is He alive or dead? I say He lives on in the hearts and minds of His lovers. Because we cannot see Jesus body walking around now does that mean He is not with us or we cease to believe in Him?

    Just like proof of the presence of Jesus body is not a requirement to believe in Jesus today it was not a requirement then. What the disciples saw was the reality of Who Jesus really was.

    I worship the light not the lamp. Some unfortunately have woven myths and superstitions around His body and developed a form of cult worship based on worship of His Body. But although His body is nowhere to be seen today yet I see Him alive in my heart and soul and for me I do not require to see His body in order to believe. That is a need for people I believe who weak in faith.
     
  19. Shantanu

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    If you are a Christian you would be entitled to do just that: but for those without a religion they are only interested in knowing if there is a God today that operates through a Spirit. I believe there is and that this God can be connected with. The way God has left it open is that one can be a Christian or a Hindu or a Jew or a Muslim, the same God is accessible through the Spirit. Is that what Baha'i' faith is all about?
     
  20. loverofhumanity

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    Yes we are all human and we can all know God but we are not forced to believe if we don’t wish to. It doesn’t matter which religion you believe in or even if you don’t believe in anything because God is like the Sun which shines upon all humanity without discrimination.

    I accept my religion because it teaches me to accept all the other religions and all humanity as my family and I want to be friends with all people and all religions and not reject anyone so for me I can be peaceful with all and accept all people as my brothers and sisters.
     
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