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Featured Death,Why is it so Scary?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Psalm23, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    I'm curious. Without faith in jesus (if christianity and jesus never existed) would you fear death?
    (Religion is people's solace but what is the person without his or her source of spiritual fulfilment)
     
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  2. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    I'm not looking forward to death, even if I don't know I'm dead. But...
     
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    Definitely scares me because well, what if this whole God talk is real?
     
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  4. Deeje

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    What did the ancient Jews believe about death? Jesus was Jewish after all. They did not hold belief in life after death. They believed that death took them to "sheol" (translated "grave" in the Tanakh) and that it was a place of rest in an unconscious and inactive state. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) They believed that once their promised Messiah came, that he would set up his kingdom on earth and resurrect all the dead to join the living in that wonderful place. (foreshadowed by the Promised Land)

    Belief in an immortal soul or invisible spirit that departs from the body at death did not come from either Judaism or Christianity.....it is a Platonic Greek notion that crept into both religious systems once apostasy led them to depart from the pure teachings of the scriptures.
     
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  5. Unveiled Artist

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    Would you have fear of death if you didn't have jesus and the bible?
     
  6. Deeje

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    That would depend entirely on what ideas I was fed as a child....by whom....and whether I believed them as an adult.

    No one is born with a fear of death. One can only place the death of someone they love within the context of life itself. If its a child or young person who has not really lived a full life, death is a tragedy. For someone suffering from a terminal illness and has already endured much suffering, death is often a welcome release. For those advanced in years who have experienced life in many ways, many are ready for the "long goodnight" in the hope that the life to come will restore their youth and bring them back to their loved ones who have already passed away.
    But with that said...no one with a measure of good health (mentally and physically) wants to die. Death is not something we normally look forward to. I don't believe it was ever supposed to happen. This life is a test.

    Solomon summed it up the futility of death well I think....

    Ecclesiastes 3:18-20...
    "I also said in my heart about the sons of men that the true God will test them and show them that they are like animals, 19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust."

    If this life is all there is.....what superiority do we have over the animals? :shrug:
     
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    It would annoy the soulcase out of me to not have an answer as to why it felt so wrong.

    If we are a product of evolution as science suggests, then why, after all our 'evolving' didn't we accommodate death like the animals do? Why isn't it just accepted as a normal part of life? Why do we grieve? Hold funerals? Have elaborate burial plots to tell the world that we ever existed?

    Jesus and the Bible are a vital part of the answer for me.
     
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    God is not meant to be a form of 'after death insurance'......just sayin' :p
     
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  9. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Death isn't scary. Throughout all of the existence of the universe, with the exception of just 73 years, I never existed. My non-existence didn't bother me a bit, so I rather think that my future non-existence will be likewise untroublesome.

    Dying, on the other hand -- well, that can be scary. Yes, it would be lovely to shuffle off this mortal coil while I'm in the midst of a nice dream while sleeping, but tragically, it seems, most of us will have some suffering during the process of passing from life to non-life. Yes, I admit, that scares me a bit.

    But not death, that bothers me not at all.
     
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    In one way I understand that, people need a way to handle life's uncertainty and why we're here and all of that. Even if we were a product of evolution, we make purpose in our own lives whether we choose to find it outside ourselves as in god our inside ourselves as other religions may teach. I wonder what our expression would be if we found out our religions or so have you were totally false. I guess I understand as I can entertain the thought without people's belief in god but not what my values and practice-though, it doesn't hurt to be skeptical to get pass that cognitive dissonance-though may not be a fault in itself.
     
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    I guess it is the difference between having meaning to your existence or having none. I need meaning so I searched until I found something that made sense in the big scheme of things. The big picture was important because concentrating on a few pixels never tells the whole story. I wanted the whole story and I was not going to settle for anything less.
     
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    Agreed, I'm not yearning for death either.
     
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    It hurts. We've never done it before. Yet, some say that we were dead before we were born.

    50 year olds look at the feeble, and say that they'd rather die than go on (crippled, blind, etc). But when they reach 60, they realize that life is still worth living even with some debilities.

    As one ages still more, there is little to look forward to except long term care nursing ($25,000/month), often with nurses who don't clean poop and pee for 24 hours, don't respond to nurse call buttons. At that point, death is not such a disappointment, land it is the inevitable end.

    Theists like to believe that they live on. Atheists don't believe in God, and have no reason to hedge their bets (in case there is a God). But, if someone guessed wrong, and picked the wrong jealous God, they don't have a prayer in heaven.
     
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    I'll miss myself when I'm gone. The trick is to get others to miss me.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    OK, what do you mean by Godtalk? I know there are different religions with differing views about God, but the question remains: does God exist? The Bible says He does, I believe He does, but it took me time to understand this. You must reach out for this, you must pray, God will help you understand if you ask Him. Jesus spoke of one true God. There is only one true God, He definitely exists but you must reach out for Him so you can know Him.
    Many believe that the wicked go to a burning hell where they will be tortured forever, but the Bible does not support this, and false interpretations have been put forth about what happens when we die.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Not necessarily. Because God promises a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. Jesus foretold the end of this present worldwide system of things. (Matthew 24 & 25) The Bible also tells us that there are to be new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness is to be. Therefore we have a good future to look forward to.
     
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    It's good that everyone can find and live their own individual meanings in life. Spiritual fulfillment regardless the faith or spiritual path is a good asset to have.
     
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    Family left behind is one concern but people adapt.

    However, I remain accountable to God for the life which He has entrusted me. I would love a “well done my son” from Him but I am acutely aware of my shortcomings and failures so I am of course apprehensive. Living in eternity knowing God was disappointed with me is the worst hell I can possibly imagine, while there would be no loftier heaven than winning His Good Pleasure. How do I think I’m fairing so far? Well, the fear is I haven’t done enough.
     
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    Its the things said in Ecclessiastes such as "Meaningless meaningless meaningless." I don't want my life to be meaningless. My heart is set on eternity, but I'm being taken away and will have no influence. I can't stand to think things will stay terrible. I hear about terrible things happening in this world. How much longer will it go on? That's why I don't want to die.

    I was taught a few famous poems, one by Dylan Thomas: Do not go gentle into that good night. It talks about this and the reasons why people hate death. It isn't just the pain of death or the fear death. Its leaving everything the way it is.

    Do not go gentle into that good night by Dylan Thomas - Poems | poets.org
     
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    I simply meant Religion

    Personally, I agree. Whether people wanna call him God or something, there's far toooooooooo much evidence for an existence of God/Higher power

    Again, I agree with you but, to which "God"? I understand there's only 1 and all others are false but, personally, I am inclined to believe that Allah and Islam is the true God and religion. While you clearly don't and that's completely fine but, that's what scares me.
     
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