In that forum, Erik and Brent butter up each other but never answered the questions. In fact, the one who runs the site is friend of one of them. There was another thread closed too. It was someone who wrote about Khufu's math and that issue also irritated the "moderator". About space-time:
A scientist requires more than memorizing formulas, he requires imagination. We have read many times and saw the images in Scientific American and books or other magazines about the deformation of the space, the illustration of the iron ball upon a sheet and the smaller balls been affected by the weigh of the ball on the tissue. No example can really duplicate reality. In this case its obvious the orbits of smaller balls would stop after a while side by side with the bigger ball. Repeating the experience in space without the effect of gravity (or distant from the Earth whose mass is deforming the space) the iron ball and the rest of balls will float. Kaku imagined the point of view of fishes inside the aquarium if they were taken out from their liquid universe. Hawkings thinks in bubbles connected with other soap bubbles-universes via bridges or wormholes. Hence, I would like to use the
liquid example AND CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW SCIENCE IS SOLD TO US:
A blue ping-pong ball represents Earth, other balls are floating in a swimming pool filled with black ink or black paint rather than crystal water. Jupiter can be represented as an orange basketball. You can spread colorful dust above the black liquid surface in your imagination.
Meanwhile, Mr self-centered Mr Q-virus dwelling on blue ping-pong ball discusses
youre talking trees
and virus-Oscar (Inca) replies
dont worry, several virus are already talking about the theory of everything cos all is linked to each other, besides some other virus are saying the planet-balls are changing position and are behaving strange just like the big yellow fire-ball Sun. Other Virus-participant exclaims
Prove it! Oscar-virus answers:
its difficult to know for sure, we have sent our telescopes and satellites which are big and yet in virus-scale and to see what is going on from this corner of the swimming pool is like using a micro-camera in a corner of a baseball stadium, no panoramic comprehension! You can send cesium watches, devices, but the results are gonna be pretty similar to our ping-pong blue ball. When the device is reaching the Sun-ball the virus salute each other watching the things in their virus scale. They take photographs of the universe:
http://users.skynet.be/sky03361/html2/trip2.html
You know what, there are other virus saying theres a hole in the center of the swimming pool and they say its actually swallowing liquid black space like virus-actor Hannibal Canibal Anthony Hopkins. I dont think were gonna know for sure how is this thing change our position (and therefore our time as observed in each ball), but I guess were approaching to a position in which the acceleration will come due to the whirlpool.
In fact, he adds,
it will be like the orbits of the balls are getting too close to each other, closer and closer before entering and be sucked by the swimming pools mouth.www.nasca.org/uk/danger/danger.html
Mr-Q-Virus answers:
Youre insane, are you stone or something? Thats the Great Atractor or group of superclusters (greater than 10^15 solar masses) which is pulling Milky Way (only 15 Mpc in length) towards it at 600,000 mls. Yap!, but Im not talking JUST about the Milky Way, Im taking about the whole black liquid in the universal swimming pool, the spiral, the Fibonacci, like the virus whos placed in the first song of the vinyl record and traveling at the same revolutions per minute than the virus placed in the last song, when they start to walk around the axis or center of the vinyl record there are three times, the time of the movement of the record itself (45 revolutions by minute), the long time the virus of the first song requires to walk above the vinyl record to complete a circle, and the shorter time to do the same for the virus whos walking in the last song in smaller diameter, got it?
At the very same time the virus-astronauts out from blue ping-pong balls ionosphere start to feel awfully bad because the lack of natural pulsation of 7,8 cycles in the same wave of their virus-cerebral masses as Shumann waves, electric storms cause severe damage in their virus-hearts. They get back to ping-pong blue pall to correct some damages in artificial generators of Shumann waves.
Yet, without these virus know, other virus in other part of the blue ping-pong ball are arguing the borders of the swimming pool were made of mirror, so they guess the reflection gave the false impression of a bigger swimming pool with more black ink or black paint liquid space. Somewhere else, the Russian-virus and a fistful of American-virus went beyond and shout:
The swimming pool is not rectangular, circular, or with the shape of a guitar but it seems to be a dodecahedron.
Oscar-virus continues:
Dont you worry, country-fellow-virus self-MR Q, were probably gonna pass through the whirlpool black hole in the middle of the swimming pool and though millions will perish (too shaky) and there will be survivors cos the black liquid will go into other swimming pool, everything will preserve. Yet the other swimming pool is built in different way and various levels and submitted to currents running in opposite directions. What? Are you nuts? Dont you know everything will be collapsed and we will all be transformed into spaguetti-virus stretched by the gravity and supersingularity of that wormhole?
Wait a second answer an intruder virus-
it all depends if the vehicle blue ping-pong-Earth passes through the ring or border of the hole
Yet, other virus desperate outcries
no, this aint real, its just an hologram, in fact every ball and all inhabitant virus of the swimming pool (even the ones existing into our image and resemblance in the balls beyond) are just part of the game of light, the hologram gave the illusion of dodecahedron swimming pool, the black liquid in it, the mirror borders and everything else, if someone who is not light tries to touch the illusion, there will be nothing there and it will pass through the illusion
A virus in the middle of the conference asks:
what causes the hologram? Nobody knows and everybody shut up and a silent virus doesnt even dare to ask if theres something unique that is not illusion, something in fact REAL, a belt of photons, a crystal or God
and the virus discussion continues ad infinitum