Corbyn stepping down

[LuisDantas]

How is it that the 'Labour' party managed to ignore the vast majority of working class people who wanted out of the EU?

That tired narrative again?

 

[Wandering Monk]

That tired narrative again?

The Financial Times put it exactly as I posted. How are they wrong?

And this:

In U.K. as Elsewhere, Many Blue-Collar Voters Are Switching Allegiances

 

[Laika]

Not everyone sees the Labour Party in the same light as you.

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We all have one vote and one voice and we are all imperfect. If I am wrong then I hope the wisdom of crowds has prevailed and British jews can be safe. Their ancestors have seen enough horrors already.

Climate change is nothing to do with Left vs Right or capitalism vs socialism. It belongs on another axis. There is so much hypocritical rubbish talked on this subject it is unbelievable. We are all responsible and it is the way we all live that does it. Nobody is giving up his car, or spending £10,000 to install a heat pump for his house, yet everyone pretends that climate change is the fault of industry for making the cars we demand and for providing the fuel we need to run them and to heat our houses. Jolly convenient to smugly blame other people, or evil capitalists, for giving us what we want and expect.

However I would agree entirely that climate change was the dog that did not bark in this election. I was actually quite surprised at that. I think it will rocket up the political agenda over the next 5 years and all parties will have to adapt to it.

I hope you are right, for all our sakes.

 

[Altfish]

The Financial Times put it exactly as I posted. How are they wrong?

And this:

In U.K. as Elsewhere, Many Blue-Collar Voters Are Switching Allegiances

It will be up to the Tories to ensure that the low class wages rise, unemployment declines and less foreigners are working in the UK. Jobs, particularly in the North, will be essential. Infrastructure programs will be key - HS2 will get built.

BUT if they fail, disillusionment will soon set in and there will be a backlash.

 

[exchemist]

We all have one vote and one voice and we are all imperfect. If I am wrong then I hope the wisdom of crowds has prevailed and British jews can be safe. Their ancestors have seen enough horrors already.



I hope you are right, for all our sakes.

I am right about the hypocrisy, at least. And since the essence of the hypocrisy is to pretend climate change is the fault of some convenient scapegoat other than us all, it seems likely it is not all somehow the fault of, say, capitalism, for giving us what enables our modern lifestyles. Blaming Henry Ford or Marcus Samuel just won't do, when none of us is willing to change our own behaviour.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Financial Times put it exactly as I posted. How are they wrong?

And this:

In U.K. as Elsewhere, Many Blue-Collar Voters Are Switching Allegiances

I have posted plenty enough here on these forums on the matter.

On a nutshell, the 2016 vote was incomplete to the point of being invalid without at least some effort at establishing such crucial paramenters as relationship to the Single Market.

That so many Leavers seem not to care only shows how little they value their own right to vote.

Frankly, at this point I think that the EU will be better off without the UK, which has essentially chosen to self-destruct with great prejudice.

 

[Martin]

The future of the Labour Party, whatever happens, is deeply uncertain because this is such a profoundly right-wing age and it is really debatable what role a centre-left party can play in it. This isn't unique to Britain but has happened all over Europe as "Pasokification" (named after the collapse of the Greek centre-left party). So it is really anyone's guess what Labour will do now.

Being cynical, he's probably going to try and consolidate his base within the party and ensure that his successor will continue his policies. They probably don't want Labour to go to the right/move back to the centre (where ever that is now). If the Labour Party tried moving to the right, it would only consolidate Johnson's victory by ensuring Labour surrenders to Johnson's policy positions. Basically, they need to make sure a Labour civil war doesn't turn in to a major split between the centrist and centre-left factions.

Personally, I'm genuinely at a loss to know what the options even are for centre-left/far-left politics now as we have basically gone further and further to the right since the 1980's. Johnson's win is simply a continuation and exaggeration of that process. So who the **** knows?

I suspect Labour will have to move back to the centre again, if it actually wants to win an election. Like another version of "New Labour". "New New Labour" perhaps?

 

[Martin]

I've been thinking for some time that Jeremy should retire from politics. I picture him pottering around on his allotment, tinkering with his runner-bean poles and humming socialist songs.

 

[Marcion]

There was nothing wrong with the course taken by Jeremy Corbyn. The only problem he had was his total lack of charisma and people having been brainwashed into believing that leaving the EU is going to solve their problems.

The main problem though was that the present voting system is wrong. The Conservatives won less than half of the votes and still got the majority seats in Parliament which is very unfair to all those who did not vote for this far-right party.

I hope Scotland and northern-Ireland will soon leave the UK so at least some good will come from this disastrous outcome. And of course the fate of the UK is going to inspire the EU to make greater progress than before.

 

[Rival]

far-right party.

Far right? Really, the Tories? That party with the leader talking about Britain going carbon neutral, the party that gave us two female PMs, the party that legalised same sex marriage when led by David Cameron who said,

“I am a strong believer in marriage. It helps people commit to each other and I think it is right that gay people should be able to get married too.”

That party?

 

[Marcion]

Far right? Really, the Tories?
That party?

Yes, the party that creates massive homelessness, that allows whole flats to burn down with the people still inside and lets sick young boys sleep on hospital floors just like happens in Africa, that party indeed.

 

[Rival]

Yes, the party that creates massive homelessness, that allows whole flats to burn down with the people still inside and lets sick young boys sleep on hospital floors just like happens in Africa, that party indeed.

How does this make them 'far right'? Also, I doubt the policies intended these things, and let's not forget Labour's stellar idea to raise taxes so high it bankrupts families.

 

[ratiocinator]

Far right? Really, the Tories?

Of course the Tories are far right, what planet are you on?

UK Parties 2019 General Election

 

[Rival]

Of course the Tories are far right, what planet are you on?

UK Parties 2019 General Election

The Political Compass isn't that great, honestly.

And no, I'm not sure we have the same definition of far right. It seems to some people, anything that's not higher taxes and nationalisation is far right. Thankfully this trend seems to be dying and people are learning the value of private enterprise and the free market. The Tories are laissez-faire capitalists, which is hardly a far right position.

 

[Altfish]

Far right? Really, the Tories? That party with the leader talking about Britain going carbon neutral, the party that gave us two female PMs, the party that legalised same sex marriage when led by David Cameron who said,

“I am a strong believer in marriage. It helps people commit to each other and I think it is right that gay people should be able to get married too.”

That party?

The current party is further right than any previous Tory government; many of its old grandees are disowning it.

 

[Rival]

The current party is further right than any previous Tory government; many of its old grandees are disowning it.

It may be far right by its own standards, but in reality I don't think it's as far right as, say, US Republicans.

 

[Altfish]

It may be far right by its own standards, but in reality I don't think it's as far right as, say, US Republicans.

It's probably not as far right as some elements of the Democrats

 

[Yerda]

How does this make them 'far right'? Also, I doubt the policies intended these things, and let's not forget Labour's stellar idea to raise taxes so high it bankrupts families.

Jesus. You're party won. You can stop lying now.

 

[Rival]

Jesus. You're party won. You can stop lying now.

What am I lying about?

 

[Altfish]

Labour are probably going to appoint another Corbynite clone, Long-Bailey is favourite and with Momentum and McClusky calling the shots she must be favourite ... another 5-years of Tory rich boys will follow.