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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Sleeppy, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. sayak83

    sayak83 Well-Known Member
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    How exactly does "the universe" constitute the basis of your claim?

    I do not care about your theories until you tell me how you justify them.
     
  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    If that was the case I would think would be able to track it by now to some degree.

    I see consciousness as an emergent property brought about by biological systems. Basically smaller organisms working as a larger one with a mysterious yet amazing way of communication. I think that, as being an educated guess because that's how our bodies communicate. It is through a network of nerves and neurons.

    I think there have been a few studies on the human brain and it seems very unlikely it is sort of a receiver or transmitter of any kind. We produce brain waves, but I don't think it's consciousness. It might be a field of some sort, sort of like electricity produces a magnetic field in a circuit. We already know magnetism produces various effects on the mind, so it's probably not a very good receiver/ transmitter if interference can be discerned enough that it affects behaviors.

    Besides even if the argument is that consciousness travels, it would need some kind of medium to preserve it and so far there is nothing of the sort giving way to a whole bunch of fanciful ideas and conjectures.
     
  3. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Right.

    I would say the biblical case for reincarnation is strong, however.
     
  4. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Everyone got a little OP ammo.

    If you're reading this, I'm currently transferring consciousness to you. Your eyeballs are receiving physical stimuli. Your brain is retaining and managing what it is able, and your consciousness is affected as a result.
     
  5. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Is your brain not transmitting an idea? In response to an idea you received, from another brain transmitting that idea?

    Everything scientists have laid eyes on shows responsiveness to some stimuli. Consciousness is fundamental. We subconsciously know this, because we trust crime scene investigators, and coroners. Their job is to interview witnesses, as well. The crime scene retains information and transmits that information. The condition of the body retains information and transmits it.
     
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    How exactly does the universe constitute the basis of my claim? Watch it and learn and get rid of your preconcieved ideas that make you better than the untouchables.

    You don't care about my theories until I justify them? There is no justification that will suit you.
     
  7. sayak83

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    Got it, you don't have any justification to present and just huffing and puffing here.
     
  8. atanu

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    Hello Sunstone,

    I think it is a matter of perspective and the varying perspectives flourish because of awareness itself. With given awareness, we invent stories and imagine it to have been created by some unknown mechanism. How much fanciful that can be?

    To me the most touching irony is that there are perceptions that individuals are true, apart from the awareness that reveals them.

    I agree. I prefer the positive practical implications of the knowledge that "I Am" is not separate from the awareness of "I am", the most important being the knowledge that mind is positively controllable.
     
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    5 years of college, been to 14 different countries, most of them 4-6 times.

    How about you?

    Here's what you really want to hear, you're better than the untouchables. Feel good now?
     
  10. sayak83

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    And this justifies your theory about rebirth... how?? Did you take a rebirth theory or practice course in college and went to international reincarnation conferences in those 14 countries? o_O
     
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    The 5 years of college and 14 countries gave me experience in understanding people.

    The hindu's took a fantastic belief system, with Chakra's and reincarnation, but then you added in a belief that others are punished by God just so you can feel superior to them.

    No reincarnation course needed to figure you out.
     
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    Except of course for the fact that this isn't how a television works. If a channel stops transmitting, the 'pictures and sounds' from that channel aren't already inside of the TV.
     
  13. sayak83

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    How does "understanding people" help justify your theory of reincarnation? Millions of folk go to college and travel abroad. What is different about how you did it?

    You should really stop trying to figure me out. You are embarrassing yourself.
     
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    Actually the fact that a person can suffer damage to their brain, lose access to certain memories, and then over time retrieve those memories certainly DOES suggest that the brain has a sort of backup system. Until you can provide evidence of a consciousness existing WITHOUT a brain, you're the one who's indulging in 'wishful thinking' when you describe the brain as a 'spiritual transceiver'.
     
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    No, you are NOT transferring consciousness to me. What you are doing is transmitting stimuli to my consciousness, which already exists. It does affect how my conscious mind reacts, but it is NOT a transfer of consciousness. When my conscious mind detects a bird swooping down out of the sky towards me and causes me to duck, the bird has NOT transferred consciousness to me, it simply provided stimuli for my conscious brain to react to.
     
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    Right that's what I said, which was the part that I started "as you probably know".
     
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    I agree, that is compelling, but the problem is due to the nature of consiousness, people forever hide in what we don't know about it which I don't think is very honest. The evidence we have for brain based awareness I consider overwhelming.
     
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    I don't think relaying information is the same thing as transmission. If you were to take two people in two separate rooms that are soundproof and windowless, transmission would be impossible.
     
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    The purpose of stimuli is a reaction.

    To say that consciousness is not being transferred, ignores that fact, and also ignores the source of said stimuli.
     
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    It appears that this thread would be of better service in the jokes section.
    So, when are you leaving to go pickup your Nobel Prize? It must be hectic with the phone ringing endlessly, the camera crews at the door, etc. How do you cope with it?
     
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