You see? I mentioned this earlier.......
Sexual abuse was occuring in mostly every part, mostly everywhere. The lists of politicians, film stars, singers, celebrities etc etc that have been convicted or shamed is huge.
Corruption in the Metroplitan Police (and most other forces) was HUGE and held in the grip of secret societies such as Freemasonry.
I wouldn't know about Canadian police forces though.
But today a few folks, possibly with an agenda, can't wait for Courts to make convictions...... can they?
No, they can't wait. Had our police departments properly investigated child abuse allegations, they wouldn't now have to wait for judgments.
However, sexual abuse that occurs by politicians, film stars, singers, celebrities, ETC AND/OR WHATEVER, does NOT excuse NOR diminish sexual abuse that occurs in churches.
There is no moral equivalency here.
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That's one big problem. It's a temptation..... for some.
Person cannot ever expect to be able to afford to buy a house on even good wages.
*Thinks* ....... Think of, or think up, a lawsuit for huge punitive damages.
False child abuse allegations are extremely rare, in the 1 -2 % range. The idea that 8 or 9 year olds are turning in church elders or their dads in order to cash in on punitive damages are probably even rarer.
......... and the potentials for mass perjury are now rising to the surface. The UK (for one) is having to act against perjurers in order to slow down the false allegations.
Well I expect “mass perjury” would certainly be the claim of child abuse perpetrators, those accused of child abuse, those on sexual abuse registries, and advocates for pedophilia like the North American Man Boy Association. I just haven’t seen credible data to back it up.
If you have sources claiming our court systems are being flooded with false claims of child sexual abuse, let us know, preferably not from any of the sources listed above.
The fact is, Old Badger, child sexual abuse is a massively
under-reported, not
over-reported problem. I’m not sure what you’re basing your assertion on but I think we can throw such assertions safely out the window.
The Police should have been asked first.
When someone is drowning you throw them a rope. You don’t tell the victim “Wait a second; I need to call the police”. The immediate danger to the child, other children and even yourself must be considered first.
You seem to think that the JWs should be its own police force or something.
You're reading my post incorrectly.
When I stated police and churches should be criticized for failing to investigate child abuse allegations, I was
not suggesting that churches run out and form their own police force. I was specifically responding to your prior appeal to moral equivalency, which was this:
Don't forget that Police Forces were turning away such allegations even 15 years ago.
Have you run a thread about that?
I made it clear that the police should not have done that. I also made it clear the churches should not have done that either. When a child walks in and confides that she or he has been sexually abused, you do not “turn away such allegations.”
The churches investigation should be focused immediately on the danger to the child and other parishioners. It certainly should not involve a confrontation between her and the accused and it certainly should not be accompanied by a reluctance to report it to the police.
You also made this amazing assertion:
Unless you are a Police Officer I reckon that I have detained more paedophiles than you over the years, and I have listened to many more accusations that were quite simply malicious adult lies and/or sad minor's fibs.
This is part and parcel of the problem we are experiencing now. The pervasive attitude at that time, as you correctly pointed out, was one of “turning away” and dismissal of sexual abuse allegations as “…
malicious adult lies and/or sad minor’s fibs.”
So perhaps one can understand why police officers turned away our children back then. Perhaps it was a cultural and education thing…a disbelief that some guy with a ready smile could bang his daughter, or an eagerness to believe she was just mad about the spanking and wanted to get out of a little homework.
But even if this were somehow excusable way back then (and I don't believe it was, especially with a police force specifically charged to protect the public) it certainly is not excusable now. The idea of any child today seeking help from a molester who is summarily turned away as a sad “fib” is one I find morally objectionable and, for the police, legally actionable.