Christians who oppose homosexuality

[Storm]

To begin with – I am not opposed to homosexuality. What a person does in private is something private. I am for anything that is of benefit and needful for society. If something benefits some small segment of society - that is not something of benefit and needful for society in general. Anyone can argue that being narcissistic makes “them” happy (or even a small circle within a society) but narcissism is not beneficial for any society.

So before I will stand up and say – I am for anything. I require a reason – not an excuse. I am pro heterosexual. I believe the benefit and reason for heterosexuality is that without it the human society would end in one generation. Therefore, I believe that society must openly support and provide favoritism to heterosexuality. If someone really believes that homosexuality is as necessary or as needed for society then I am open minded and I will consider your reasoning.

What I have found on this and other forums is that there is no open-mindedness from proponents of homosexuality and that if asked for any real reason or why homosexuality should be as valued as heterosexuality by society – I will be demonized for asking such a brazen question. Intimidation is not a valid argument and convinces me that every proponent putting forth such nonsense is themselves a negative and an un-needful element in a society run amok in selfishness.

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Zadok

Is homosexuality necessary for continuation of the species? No. Neither is heterosexuality, as we bis can breed just as well as straights. Neither is democracy, liberty, freedom of religion, or a host of other nobilities. Do you also oppose them?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

To begin with – I am not opposed to homosexuality. What a person does in private is something private. I am for anything that is of benefit and needful for society. If something benefits some small segment of society - that is not something of benefit and needful for society in general.

Maybe you should look at it in just the opposite way. It should be discriminated against only after it has been shown to be bad for society.

What I have found on this and other forums is that there is no open-mindedness from proponents of homosexuality and that if asked for any real reason or why homosexuality should be as valued as heterosexuality by society – I will be demonized for asking such a brazen question.

I don't believe you need to value homosexuals. I do believe they are looking for equal rights not your approval.

I also believe that Mormons have the right to not be discriminated against. I don't believe in all your doctrines yet I do not expect you to argue for your right to exist as a mormon. If I went on to the LDS forum and said prove to me that you should have the right to get married in an LDS temple. If you can't prove that the LDS religion is good then I believe that all your churches should be shut down. I am sure that some will not greet my comments with open arms. They would see my post as rude, and they would be right.

 

[AxisMundi]

Satan is alive and well. He still points the finger and says, "GUILTY." Homosexuality cannot, will not and never has produced babies. THAT IS A DISFUNCTION.

Well then, I guess all people born sterile, who beome sterile through disease or accident, choose to have themselves sterilized or choose enver to have childern are all "dysfunctional".

The purpose of sex is not to have babies. It is a endorphin releasing pleasurable activity that helps to cement relationships.

 

[AxisMundi]

To begin with – I am not opposed to homosexuality. What a person does in private is something private. I am for anything that is of benefit and needful for society. If something benefits some small segment of society - that is not something of benefit and needful for society in general. Anyone can argue that being narcissistic makes “them” happy (or even a small circle within a society) but narcissism is not beneficial for any society.

Equality is always beneficial to society. Unfounded bigotry is always harmful. And I would be interested in knowing how you equate narcessism to homosexuality.

So before I will stand up and say – I am for anything. I require a reason – not an excuse. I am pro heterosexual. I believe the benefit and reason for heterosexuality is that without it the human society would end in one generation. Therefore, I believe that society must openly support and provide favoritism to heterosexuality. If someone really believes that homosexuality is as necessary or as needed for society then I am open minded and I will consider your reasoning.

Hysteria. Pure and simple. Anywhere from 3-10% os the population is gay. While each side disagrees on the exact percentage, both sides agree that those numbers have been present in the human population since day one, and will remain until the end of the human race.

Homosexuality isn't some disease of the mind, of the body, or of society. The numbers of gays don't grow because equality has granted to that minority. Your hysterical "Armegedon of Gay" is not only impossible, it is laughable.

What I have found on this and other forums is that there is no open-mindedness from proponents of homosexuality and that if asked for any real reason or why homosexuality should be as valued as heterosexuality by society – I will be demonized for asking such a brazen question. Intimidation is not a valid argument and convinces me that every proponent putting forth such nonsense is themselves a negative and an un-needful element in a society run amok in selfishness.

There should never be openmindedness in the face of unfounded bigotry.

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Feel more than free, o I demand, you show who is demanding that homosexuality be "praised".

What is sought is plain equality.

And I find it quite sad and disheartening that unfounded bigotry, especially motivated by religion, is permitted to flourish in a nation that supposedly prides herself of the concept of Equality and Freedom.

 

[Autodidact]

To begin with – I am not opposed to homosexuality. What a person does in private is something private. I am for anything that is of benefit and needful for society. If something benefits some small segment of society - that is not something of benefit and needful for society in general. Anyone can argue that being narcissistic makes “them” happy (or even a small circle within a society) but narcissism is not beneficial for any society.

So before I will stand up and say – I am for anything. I require a reason – not an excuse. I am pro heterosexual. I believe the benefit and reason for heterosexuality is that without it the human society would end in one generation. Therefore, I believe that society must openly support and provide favoritism to heterosexuality. If someone really believes that homosexuality is as necessary or as needed for society then I am open minded and I will consider your reasoning.

What I have found on this and other forums is that there is no open-mindedness from proponents of homosexuality and that if asked for any real reason or why homosexuality should be as valued as heterosexuality by society – I will be demonized for asking such a brazen question. Intimidation is not a valid argument and convinces me that every proponent putting forth such nonsense is themselves a negative and an un-needful element in a society run amok in selfishness.

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Zadok

Again, what is your position on love?

 

[Autodidact]

To begin with – I am not opposed to homosexuality. What a person does in private is something private. I am for anything that is of benefit and needful for society. If something benefits some small segment of society - that is not something of benefit and needful for society in general. Anyone can argue that being narcissistic makes “them” happy (or even a small circle within a society) but narcissism is not beneficial for any society.

So before I will stand up and say – I am for anything. I require a reason – not an excuse. I am pro heterosexual. I believe the benefit and reason for heterosexuality is that without it the human society would end in one generation. Therefore, I believe that society must openly support and provide favoritism to heterosexuality. If someone really believes that homosexuality is as necessary or as needed for society then I am open minded and I will consider your reasoning.

What I have found on this and other forums is that there is no open-mindedness from proponents of homosexuality and that if asked for any real reason or why homosexuality should be as valued as heterosexuality by society – I will be demonized for asking such a brazen question. Intimidation is not a valid argument and convinces me that every proponent putting forth such nonsense is themselves a negative and an un-needful element in a society run amok in selfishness.

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Zadok

I think your post is based on a false premise, that people are born nuetral, or bi-sexual, and can choose whether to be gay or straight.* For most people, this is not the case; it's not a choice between hetero and homo. It's a reality, which is that gay people exist, and there is no rationale to discriminate against them.

*Actually, if this were true, the world would be a better place if more people did choose to be homosexual.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Why do you think that this is the standard that homosexuality needs to meet?

For me, it's primarily a matter of acknowledging that homosexuality exists, and given that, asking what the fairest or most beneficial way for society to address this fact would be.

You talked about "favoritism to heterosexuality"; what does that mean, exactly?

If you're talking about things like giving support to opposite-sex parents, then great - I wholeheartedly support this. However, I also recognize that supporting opposite-sex parents doesn't preclude supporting same-sex parents. You can do both.

If you mean that you think that whatever rights and benefits heterosexual people have, homosexual people should have something less, then I wholeheartedly disagree.

Care to clarify?

 

[Autodidact]

So let me hear your arguments as to why society must support and praise homosexuality as something absolutely necessary or humans will cease to exist – or something as important?

Zadok

Has anyone advocated this? How about simple equality--I'd be fine with that.

 

[Erebus]

I think your post is based on a false premise, that people are born nuetral, or bi-sexual, and can choose whether to be gay or straight.*

I'm still waiting for those who endorse this logic to provide me with a satisfactory explanation on how to become bisexual...

 

[sandandfoam]

Anyone who is not gay should be vetted and licenced before being allowed to breed in the old fashioned manner as this mode of reproduction seems to be perpetuating some intolerant genes.
The future of humanity rests on it.

 

[logician]

Anyone who is not gay should be vetted and licenced before being allowed to breed in the old fashioned manner as this mode of reproduction seems to be perpetuating some intolerant genes.
The future of humanity rests on it.

Given dwindling resources, and geometric population increases, homosexuality could be the savior of mankind.

 

[JMorris]

Equality is always beneficial to society. Unfounded bigotry is always harmful. And I would be interested in knowing how you equate narcessism to homosexuality.



Hysteria. Pure and simple. Anywhere from 3-10% os the population is gay. While each side disagrees on the exact percentage, both sides agree that those numbers have been present in the human population since day one, and will remain until the end of the human race.

Homosexuality isn't some disease of the mind, of the body, or of society. The numbers of gays don't grow because equality has granted to that minority. Your hysterical "Armegedon of Gay" is not only impossible, it is laughable.




There should never be openmindedness in the face of unfounded bigotry.



Feel more than free, o I demand, you show who is demanding that homosexuality be "praised".

What is sought is plain equality.

And I find it quite sad and disheartening that unfounded bigotry, especially motivated by religion, is permitted to flourish in a nation that supposedly prides herself of the concept of Equality and Freedom.

great post:clap

There should never be openmindedness in the face of unfounded bigotry.

this in particular.

i am as open to the idea that homosexuals should be treated as second class citizens as i am to the idea that blacks, hispanics, or asians should be treated as second class citizens. that being, not very.

Zardok you say that this subject is something that should be debated with open mindedness. why is that? your very position on the situation is offensive. if someone comes on RF supporting the idea of bringing back segregation, should this be an idea to be respectfully debated? no, its an irrational & uncivilized position to hold, and should be called out as such. why should we give such an idea any respect at all?

the fact that the anti-gay crowd dont see this clearly shows the prejudice & bigotry that they hold. if you hold the position that homosexuals do not deserve civil equality, then your position is equivalent to racism & segregation. and being such, you deserve no respect or open-mindedness. and if this is something you find insulting, then too bad. go whine about it to racists, im sure you'll find alot of moral support from such a crowd.

 

[Zadok]

As I stated heterosexuality is necessary for society to continue. For that reason I believe society has an obligation to support heterosexuality. Therefore, I support heterosexuality.

I have asked for arguments concerning homosexuality and why it should be considered equal to heterosexuality.

I know there are homosexual. I personally love and admire many homosexuals that I know personally. But to be honest the respect and honor is not because of homosexuality but because of other things. I also know a lot of heterosexuals that I do not love at all – but again my love and respect or lack of love and respect of individuals has little or nothing to do what they do in the privacy of their life. It is all about an individual’s desire and ability to make personal sacrifices of personal wants, needs and desires in order to bring about a greater good and benefit of others as part of their public endorsements.

There are people that are overweight. I do not foster or recommend being overweight because It is better to be healthy and fit – both for individuals and society. I also personally know some people that are overweight that I care for greatly. If they ask my opinion I will tell them that they and the world would be better off if they were not overweight but regardless I still care for them. I know some very fit people that I would not associate with if they were the only other people on earth. I kind of view homosexuality in this same light

I do not believe we should say being overweight is no different than being fit just because we like and respect some people that are overweight, because it is not the same. I do not think we should say it is the same because all people should be treated equal. I believe we should be honest and truthful with everybody – especially if they are asking for an honest response. If homosexuality is as valuable to the greater good of society as heterosexuality then I would really like to know why anyone thinks it to be so. Shall we be honest about homosexuality or not?

So far it appears that no one is even willing to open and put everything on the table. Perhaps we think that being honest may hurt someone’s feelings? Can we be honest? It also appears that I am much more open-minded about this that most that are pro homosexual. I can love and associate with those that have a different opinion and I do not demonize them or hate them for their opinion.

Zadok

 

[Storm]

As I stated heterosexuality is necessary for society to continue.

And as *I* stated, no, it isn't.

For that reason I believe society has an obligation to support heterosexuality. Therefore, I support heterosexuality.

Fine, I have no problem with that. When you support bigotry and inequality, I have a problem.

I have asked for arguments concerning homosexuality and why it should be considered equal to heterosexuality.

Because there's no good reason for it not to be.

There are people that are overweight. I do not foster or recommend being overweight because It is better to be healthy and fit – both for individuals and society. I also personally know some people that are overweight that I care for greatly. If they ask my opinion I will tell them that they and the world would be better off if they were not overweight but regardless I still care for them. I know some very fit people that I would not associate with if they were the only other people on earth. I kind of view homosexuality in this same light

Being overweight is bad hor you. Homosexuality isn't.

Shall we be honest about homosexuality or not?

Yes, please.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As I stated heterosexuality is necessary for society to continue. For that reason I believe society has an obligation to support heterosexuality. Therefore, I support heterosexuality.

What does "support heterosexuality" mean? Do you think that there are specific actions we need to take to ensure that heterosexuality continues to exist?

I have asked for arguments concerning homosexuality and why it should be considered equal to heterosexuality.

IMO, it's more that homosexual people should be considered equal to heterosexual people, and the reason for this is that they're all people.

There are people that are overweight. I do not foster or recommend being overweight because It is better to be healthy and fit – both for individuals and society. I also personally know some people that are overweight that I care for greatly. If they ask my opinion I will tell them that they and the world would be better off if they were not overweight but regardless I still care for them. I know some very fit people that I would not associate with if they were the only other people on earth. I kind of view homosexuality in this same light

I do not believe we should say being overweight is no different than being fit just because we like and respect some people that are overweight, because it is not the same. I do not think we should say it is the same because all people should be treated equal.

Does that mean you want fit people and obese people to receive different treatment under the law?

I believe we should be honest and truthful with everybody – especially if they are asking for an honest response. If homosexuality is as valuable to the greater good of society as heterosexuality then I would really like to know why anyone thinks it to be so. Shall we be honest about homosexuality or not?

So far it appears that no one is even willing to open and put everything on the table. Perhaps we think that being honest may hurt someone’s feelings? Can we be honest? It also appears that I am much more open-minded about this that most that are pro homosexual. I can love and associate with those that have a different opinion and I do not demonize them or hate them for their opinion.

If you're arguing for a lesser class of rights for homosexual people, then I don't believe you. Typically, unloving acts don't flow from love.

 

[JMorris]

As I stated heterosexuality is necessary for society to continue. For that reason I believe society has an obligation to support heterosexuality. Therefore, I support heterosexuality.

how would civil equality for a small minority of the population equate to being unsupportive of heterosexuality? how could it be argued that civil equality of non-whites equate to being unsupportive of whites? other than who it is that you have a prejudice against, your position is much the same.

I have asked for arguments concerning homosexuality and why it should be considered equal to heterosexuality.

why shouldnt it be?

I know there are homosexual. I personally love and admire many homosexuals that I know personally. But to be honest the respect and honor is not because of homosexuality but because of other things. I also know a lot of heterosexuals that I do not love at all – but again my love and respect or lack of love and respect of individuals has little or nothing to do what they do in the privacy of their life. It is all about an individual’s desire and ability to make personal sacrifices of personal wants, needs and desires in order to bring about a greater good and benefit of others as part of their public endorsements.

lol, do you know what irony is? you have friends who you have no desire to see enjoy equal civil rights. great friend you are. why cant you simply make a personal sacrifice of personal prejudice in order to bring about a greater good & benefit of others?

There are people that are overweight. I do not foster or recommend being overweight because It is better to be healthy and fit – both for individuals and society. I also personally know some people that are overweight that I care for greatly. If they ask my opinion I will tell them that they and the world would be better off if they were not overweight but regardless I still care for them. I know some very fit people that I would not associate with if they were the only other people on earth. I kind of view homosexuality in this same light

so it is your position that homosexuality is unhealthy? well thats hardly surprising. do you also hold the position that certain races are unhealthy for being that race? your position is equitable.

I do not believe we should say being overweight is no different than being fit just because we like and respect some people that are overweight, because it is not the same. I do not think we should say it is the same because all people should be treated equal. I believe we should be honest and truthful with everybody – especially if they are asking for an honest response. If homosexuality is as valuable to the greater good of society as heterosexuality then I would really like to know why anyone thinks it to be so. Shall we be honest about homosexuality or not?

as far i can tell, you and the others like you are the ones being dishonest about homosexuality. you seem to believe that civil equality for homosexuals would lead to the end of society, if not the human race. is this really something you honestly expect sane & rational people to consider for any length of time?

So far it appears that no one is even willing to open and put everything on the table. Perhaps we think that being honest may hurt someone’s feelings? Can we be honest? It also appears that I am much more open-minded about this that most that are pro homosexual. I can love and associate with those that have a different opinion and I do not demonize them or hate them for their opinion.

wonderful. so your like the segregationist who just happens to also find many black people to be "just fine". so long as their not given the same rights as themselves that is.

pro civil-equality is the only rational & honest position to hold on civil rights. and any opposing view point on civil equality isnt worth the time to consider.

you seem to want respect or even sympathy for your prejudices. im not going to give it to you. if you think that makes me intolerant, then youd be correct. i am 100% intolerant of baseless prejudice.

 

[AxisMundi]

As I stated heterosexuality is necessary for society to continue. For that reason I believe society has an obligation to support heterosexuality. Therefore, I support heterosexuality.

I have asked for arguments concerning homosexuality and why it should be considered equal to heterosexuality.

I know there are homosexual. I personally love and admire many homosexuals that I know personally. But to be honest the respect and honor is not because of homosexuality but because of other things. I also know a lot of heterosexuals that I do not love at all – but again my love and respect or lack of love and respect of individuals has little or nothing to do what they do in the privacy of their life. It is all about an individual’s desire and ability to make personal sacrifices of personal wants, needs and desires in order to bring about a greater good and benefit of others as part of their public endorsements.

There are people that are overweight. I do not foster or recommend being overweight because It is better to be healthy and fit – both for individuals and society. I also personally know some people that are overweight that I care for greatly. If they ask my opinion I will tell them that they and the world would be better off if they were not overweight but regardless I still care for them. I know some very fit people that I would not associate with if they were the only other people on earth. I kind of view homosexuality in this same light

I do not believe we should say being overweight is no different than being fit just because we like and respect some people that are overweight, because it is not the same. I do not think we should say it is the same because all people should be treated equal. I believe we should be honest and truthful with everybody – especially if they are asking for an honest response. If homosexuality is as valuable to the greater good of society as heterosexuality then I would really like to know why anyone thinks it to be so. Shall we be honest about homosexuality or not?

So far it appears that no one is even willing to open and put everything on the table. Perhaps we think that being honest may hurt someone’s feelings? Can we be honest? It also appears that I am much more open-minded about this that most that are pro homosexual. I can love and associate with those that have a different opinion and I do not demonize them or hate them for their opinion.

Zadok

Why are you fixated on sex?

Gays are productive members of society, equal to, in every way, everyone else.

What your "argument" is "all about" is you attempting to jsutify the unjustifiable, bigotry and prejudice.

BTW, you wouldn't know Honest if it gave you it's business card and then bit you on your bottom.

 

[Autodidact]

As I stated heterosexuality is necessary for society to continue. For that reason I believe society has an obligation to support heterosexuality. Therefore, I support heterosexuality.

I have asked for arguments concerning homosexuality and why it should be considered equal to heterosexuality.

I know there are homosexual. I personally love and admire many homosexuals that I know personally. But to be honest the respect and honor is not because of homosexuality but because of other things. I also know a lot of heterosexuals that I do not love at all – but again my love and respect or lack of love and respect of individuals has little or nothing to do what they do in the privacy of their life. It is all about an individual’s desire and ability to make personal sacrifices of personal wants, needs and desires in order to bring about a greater good and benefit of others as part of their public endorsements.

There are people that are overweight. I do not foster or recommend being overweight because It is better to be healthy and fit – both for individuals and society. I also personally know some people that are overweight that I care for greatly. If they ask my opinion I will tell them that they and the world would be better off if they were not overweight but regardless I still care for them. I know some very fit people that I would not associate with if they were the only other people on earth. I kind of view homosexuality in this same light

Zadok

Well, you're wrong.

Back to what you were saying before, you seem to think the purpose of public policy is to encourage one form of sexuality over another. I think that's ridiculous, but if so, then homosexuality is the one that should be encouraged, for two reasons:

1. It will decrease the number of unplanned, unwanted, uncared for children.
2. It will reduce overpopulation.

Personally, I think LDS theology is extremely harmful, and utterly detrimental to society. I do not, however, believe that society should discriminate against Mormons because of this view.

For some reason you seem to think other people should be discriminated against because of your prejudices. I do not.

 

[Autodidact]

Why are you fixated on sex?

Sex, heck, why is he so fixated on reproduction?

(Answer: Because he's Mormon. It's part of their arcane religious beliefs.)

 

[Zadok]

So far I have not seen any argument supporting homosexuality as something necessary, beneficial or helpful for society.

One person argued that nothing heterosexual is necessary in society. Is there anyone here that was born because on anything other than heterosexuality in society? Is there a society where the even half the individuals because of anything other than heterosexual interactions? Please tell me where I can find such things?

My assumption is that heterosexuality and homosexuality are not equal in what is given back to society. The reason I make this assumption is because I cannot think of anything the homosexuality offers that heterosexuality does not – and I can think of something that heterosexuality offers that homosexuality does not – that is another generation. I cannot believe that some are so hateful of other life to suggest homosexuality is better because it will reduce the number of people. What kind of hateful thing is that? I would never argue such a thing. It is also interesting that no one caught that – is it because you do not care if an argument is valid or worthwhile? You want something to be true so any argument regardless of any reasonable consideration is perfectly acceptable? So am I to assume that murder, war and anything that reduces the number of people is in the same class of desirability as homosexuality? Please – such arguments do not help your cause at all. Try to say something intelligent.

A lot of people are saying all kinds of things (mostly hateful towards me and my beliefs) that are completely irrelevant to the question at hand – is there any additional benefit to society or anything of equal value to society as is another generation? I ask this because I really would consider anything positive – if someone – anyone, could say something, anything positive. Are the only arguments for homosexuality negative and hateful toward anyone that is to ask what greater good might there be realized?

Zadok