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Featured Christians Preferred: Are only Literalists True Christians™?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Heyo, Apr 15, 2021.

  1. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    With permission of @ElishaElijah, who is new to the forum, I want to reproduce his opinion here:
    In Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children
    Evolution vs. creationism threads tend to attract only non believers on the evolution side even so most people who identify as Christian are not creationists/literalists. But it seems there is a lot of potential debate between the two Christian camps. So, please, discuss/debate.
     
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    As biblical literalism was only invented in the c.18th and c.19th, it seems fairly obvious that it is far from being a requirement for being a Christian.

    But there are some extreme Protestant sects that like to indulge the No True Scotsman fallacy by trying to redefine Christianity to fit their own narrow - and ,frankly, stupid - version of it. :D
     
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  3. Estro Felino

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    Welcome to the forums @ElishaElijah :).

    As a Christian I deeply respect literalists and I kinda admire them.
    I am not a literalist because as a child I was never taught that the Bible is supposed to be the scientific truth.
    My Catholic priest taught me that the Genesis tale is an allegory and that scientists are right about the origin of mankind (without going into detail...but surely admitting Evolution.).
    So my upbringing deeply influenced my beliefs.
    I do believe that Evolution doesn't diminish God's greatness.
     
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  4. Hockeycowboy

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    Interesting you should use the word “narrow”....Matthew 7:13-14.
    So according to the Bible itself, the genuine path would be “narrow.”

    This of course couldn’t include every narrow version.

    There have always only been “a few”, i.e., the Israelites, that were worshipping Yahweh / Jehovah in the way He approved.

    Daniel 12 states that only in the “Final part of the days” would truth become “abundant.”

    Just applying (Biblical) Scripture. And there are no passages anywhere else in those Scriptures that would seem to contradict.
     
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    Explaining the entire Bible literally? That doesn’t happen, does it?

    For instance, God riding on clouds?
     
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    I think true fundamentalist view of scripture would lead a person not to be a fundamentalist, assuming they had adopted the protestant canon as their source. Here are some references against being fundamentalist:

    [1Co 8:11 NIV] 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.

    [1Co 8:1-2, 6 NIV] 1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that "We all possess knowledge." But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. ... 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    [Luk 6:42 NIV] 42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


    Now look at the way that Judas dies. In Matthew he commits suicide. In Acts he bursts into flames. The fundamentalist must ask "Which death is correct?" These are the same death, but the so-called fundamentalists are unable to appreciate this. Their own fundamentalist rules prevent them. They must make up excuses I suppose.
     
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  7. A Vestigial Mote

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    What?! Of course God rides on clouds! What else could He possibly get around in?! Sheesh... some people.
     
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    A....limo?
     
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    I saw a cloud shaped like a limo once...
     
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    It’s sorta interesting, I think, that for many, they’ve been taught that the Lake of Fire is literal....but really, how can death be burned? Revelation 20:13-14
     
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    Yeah, I saw it too! That had to be God!
     
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    You don't need to know everything to be saved.

    BTW I disagree that it's child abuse. Weird how it's child abuse to teach more Biblical point of view; but it's okay for secularists to push their wacky views, opinions etc. no matter how extreme on children.
     
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    Of course there are more than just a few Christians who accept the science supporting the Theory of Evolution. I recently had someone say to me that someone can't believe in God and evolution at the same time. Which is of course, nonsense.

    Reading Genesis 1 and 2 as science and literal history, is not by any stretch of the imagination the same thing as believing in God. How we interpret scripture is a matter of the mind and exposure to ideas. How we believe in God, is a matter of the heart.
     
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    I am a Christian and I do not read or interpret the Bible literally. There is no requirement nor logical reason that it be viewed so.
     
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    It is not OK to force any view on others. Especially children.
     
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    What kind of mileage you think that would get?
     
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    People ride on clouds...in an airplane. Still, it is riding on the clouds.
     
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    Be careful. The literalist will now interpret that to mean that Jesus will return in an airplane, potentially one carrying horses too. :)
     
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    Literalism is not only a manifestation of ignorance, it also is pretty much a form of idolatry. The Bible is not perfect, nor is any translation of the Bible somehow a replica of the original manuscripts.
     
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    As I mentioned, not all of the Scriptures need be literal. However, we should consider if the Biblical events in question, were referred to by other Scriptural personages, like Jesus, as being literal.

    Don’t you think that would matter? How they viewed them?
     
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