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Morally, for a Christian, any point after conception is immoral. However, morality can be imposed on those who have a different set of morals, and I do not at all wish to impose my Christian morals on someone not freely willing to accept them.
It is not possible in a non moral fashion to identify a clump of non specialized cells as a person. However, a baby fully formed as a human with a beating heart and function brain has all the features of a human, a person.
So, a strong legal case can be made that killing a baby after the first trimester is murder.
Legally, I support unlimited abortion in the first trimester. After that, no abortion unless there is demonstrable and medically certifiable threat of serious physical harm or death to the mother if the pregnancy continues.
Then the intent of the law is being circumvented. And the solution is to tighten enforcement, not to condemn the law.
No, we don't all agree on that. We all agree that the process that creates a new human begins at conception. When that process has successfully achieved this is a matter of widely differing opinion.
No, you are not grasping the difference between federal law and state law. Federal law, roe v wade, does not limit abortion at any point. This is because of the badly constructed basis of roe, the unenumerated right of "privacy". In essence, the Warren court threw up it's hands, refusing to address the issue, and decided abortion in total was cloaked by "privacy". Circumventing state law that limits late term abortions.
You may Not be an American and may life in a country where there is one consistent law. So this may be confusing. The autonomy of each state, and conflicts between the Federal system and the state systems when looking from the outside are hard to understand.
In any case, if a physician in state which limits late term abortion decides to break the state law and commit one, federal law says no one, including the state, can "see", legally know about the action because it is privileged, legally protected by the unenumerated "right" to privacy. Federal law trumps state law. Roe v wade MUST be changed, I think it will.
A human life begins at conception and ends at death. Any qualifiers are arbitrary human constructs. One arbitrary construct says a person exists at conception, another says a person doesn't exist till birth, another says person doesn't exist till the second trimester. All arbitrary.
Science tells us a human begins at conception and ends at death.