Christianity And The Coronavirus Over The Last 25 Days

[Skwim]

There's also a muslim one - the one about Indonesia.

But these pieces all seem to be taken from the same rather shallow, jokey source. I don't think there's much serious journalism going on here.

Close enough, Muslims believe in the god of Abraham. (Actually, in my zeal to get the damn list done---I was getting hungry--- I overlooked it.)

And what rather shallow, jokey source is that?

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[Left Coast]

In other news, kooky ideas about COVID-19 are not restricted to Christians:

Indian guru's tips to ward off coronavirus anger health professionals

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

There's also a muslim one - the one about Indonesia.

But these pieces all seem to be taken from the same rather shallow, jokey source. I don't think there's much serious journalism going on here.

I think the main point or takeaway here is that these are REAL viewpoints. Viewpoints made possible by our friendly neighborhood religious types. And yes... yes of course I know that not all religious-minded individuals think these ways... but this is what it can breed. We have all experienced it or heard about it. And I am not saying that non-religious types don't have their conspiracy theorists and wackier types... but secularism doesn't actively promote the types of fanciful ideas that many religions tend to - which I truly believe, at least subconsciously, drives many people to realize "hey - I can literally make up whatever the heck I want to and use it as justification for any thing I want to!"

 

[GoodbyeDave]

With millions of believers, it's hardly surprising that some Christians are crackpots — I've known a few atheists crackpots, too. Think of the time wasted by the man who compiled those quotations from the length and breadth of the web! And by us, reading them — I really ought to know that Skwim is a waste of time by now…

 

[exchemist]

With millions of believers, it's hardly surprising that some Christians are crackpots — I've known a few atheists crackpots, too. Think of the time wasted by the man who compiled those quotations from the length and breadth of the web! And by us, reading them — I really ought to know that Skwim is a waste of time by now…

Actually I think they were all culled from the same source: the amusingly named "Friendly Atheist". So not a huge amount of work to compile.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think the main point or takeaway here is that these are REAL viewpoints. Viewpoints made possible by our friendly neighborhood religious types. And yes... yes of course I know that not all religious-minded individuals think these ways... but this is what it can breed. We have all experienced it or heard about it. And I am not saying that non-religious types don't have their conspiracy theorists and wackier types... but secularism doesn't actively promote the types of fanciful ideas that many religions tend to - which I truly believe, at least subconsciously, drives many people to realize "hey - I can literally make up whatever the heck I want to and use it as justification for any thing I want to!"

Well, in effect you just do the following: Claim any value as the highest one to follow, be it the individual as the individual itself, any group up until the human species itself or I have even seen it done with intelligence. You could also claim science if you want to or logic or reason or being objective. There is no shortage of ways to do it.
Remember the trick is to believe there is one single highest value, because every other one is wrong and this one is right.
It works in the following manner:
Someone: I am right and you are wrong, because of...
It doesn't matter what follows as long as it is believed to be true. It could be God, but it is not limited to God.
It is the same human psychology and it is not limited to religion.

Regards
Mikkel

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Well, in effect you just do the following: Claim any value as the highest one to follow, be it the individual as the individual itself, any group up until the human species itself or I have even seen it done with intelligence. You could also claim science if you want to or logic or reason or being objective. There is no shortage of ways to do it.
Remember the trick is to believe there is one single highest value, because every other one is wrong and this one is right.
It works in the following manner:
Someone: I am right and you are wrong, because of...
It doesn't matter what follows as long as it is believed to be true. It could be God, but it is not limited to God.
It is the same human psychology and it is not limited to religion.

Regards
Mikkel

You're missing something here... I didn't claim anything was "right." All I said was that religions (which, let's face it - can't all be right/true/whatever) make a bunch of stuff up. This is FACT. Again, so many religions - they can't all have things correct or be referencing "the truth." So most of them (possibly ALL of them) are wrong on almost everything they purport to "know." I don't have to say that I know what is "right" in order to state this. I don't. If you think I do, then you are not thinking clearly. And what I am saying is that religion tends to make people feel that they are authorities on the MAKE BELIEVE that they have decided to accept as reality. And so, they are far more willing to MAKE UP MORE THINGS to justify their actions within reality and claim them in accordance with reality - because THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS ALREADY. In many cases, their entire lives.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You're missing something here... I didn't claim anything was "right." All I said was that religions (which, let's face it - can't all be right/true/whatever) make a bunch of stuff up. This is FACT. Again, so many religions - they can't all have things correct or be referencing "the truth." So most of them (possibly ALL of them) are wrong on almost everything they purport to "know." I don't have to say that I know what is "right" in order to state this. I don't. If you think I do, then you are not thinking clearly. And what I am saying is that religion tends to make people feel that they are authorities on the MAKE BELIEVE that they have decided to accept as reality. And so, they are far more willing to MAKE UP MORE THINGS to justify their actions within reality and claim them in accordance with reality - because THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS ALREADY. In many cases, their entire lives.

Yes, and so with non-religious humans, who in effect do the same. They justify their beliefs in effect the same way religions do. Something subjective is claimed objective.
A classical modern example is Ayn Rand. She in effect hated communism as form of group thinking and turn it on its head and declared with logic and reason, i.e. objective, that the highest value is one's own life. She in effect didn't prove it, but that is the point. Just as there is no proof or evidence for religion using logic and methodological naturalism there is no proof or evidence for what she claim, because it wasn't objective. It was subjective just religion is as understood with methodological naturalism and logic.
Just as with religions the same apply to say communism and Objectivism. They can't both be true. When you then check further they are both claiming something subjective as objective just as religions.
Religions are not special, because they are in effect natural human behavior as understood with methodological naturalism and logic. So are behavior by non-religious humans. Political ideologies and philosophical systems can function the same way as religions. There are dogma and texts to follow.

So unless you can show that religion is in effect a special case that somehow in effect is not a result of nature in the end, I will stay be this: Religion is a natural human behavior and not special. The same general effect of, how a religion works, can be observed in other human behavior. Look at e.g. North Korea.

Regards
Mikkel

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Yes, and so with non-religious humans, who in effect do the same. They justify their beliefs in effect the same way religions do. Something subjective is claimed objective.
A classical modern example is Ayn Rand. She in effect hated communism as form of group thinking and turn it on its head and declared with logic and reason, i.e. objective, that the highest value is one's own life. She in effect didn't prove it, but that is the point. Just as there is no proof or evidence for religion using logic and methodological naturalism there is no proof or evidence for what she claim, because it wasn't objective. It was subjective just religion is as understood with methodological naturalism and logic.
Just as with religions the same apply to say communism and Objectivism. They can't both be true. When you then check further they are both claiming something subjective as objective just as religions.
Religions are not special, because they are in effect natural human behavior as understood with methodological naturalism and logic. So are behavior by non-religious humans. Political ideologies and philosophical systems can function the same way as religions. There are dogma and texts to follow.

So unless you can show that religion is in effect a special case that somehow in effect is not a result of nature in the end, I will stay be this: Religion is a natural human behavior and not special. The same general effect of, how a religion works, can be observed in other human behavior. Look at e.g. North Korea.

Regards
Mikkel

You cannot deny that some things are inter-subjectively verifiable - meaning that any of us can pick up the demonstration put forth by others and complete an experiment on our own to reproduce the results. i.e. THAT THE THING IN QUESTION IS CORRELATED WITH OUR SHARED REALITY.

And some things are NOT like this. Religion is one of those. Definitely one of those.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You cannot deny that some things are inter-subjectively verifiable - meaning that any of us can pick up the demonstration put forth by others and complete an experiment on our own to reproduce the results. i.e. THAT THE THING IN QUESTION IS CORRELATED WITH OUR SHARED REALITY.

And some things are NOT like this. Religion is one of those. Definitely one of those.

Yes, we agree. Religion is one of those, but not the only one. That is my point, religion is not a special unique human behavior. It is a member of a larger category of behavior.
E.g. I can prove to you that intelligence is the highest human value and I can do so objectively. Is that a fact? You can check that just like you can check religion.

Regards
Mikkel

 

[ClimbingTheLadder]

He's close enough. Same god of Abraham. Same OT writings.

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I think I can't go without saying but no, Jesus is not the "god of Abraham". The Christian man-god has nothing to do with the God of Abraham and Moses.
Further problem there is that Jesus confirmed the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) in what he professes to believe in the New Testament, so Christians can't even claim to follow what their book says.
Don't get me started on the Old Testament (Tanakh) though, I've gotten very angry at Christians over this before. Christianity does not have proper hermeneutics. Christians are as bad as Atheists with their interpretations of those texts, it's shameful.

 

[rrobs]

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______________March 17

Christian Activist: God Didn’t Tell Me About the Coronavirus, So We’ll Be Okay!

Christian Blogger: COVID-19 is God’s Way of Making Moms Homeschool Their Kids

Scamvangelist: God Told Me Christians Have “Overwhelmed” Coronavirus with Prayer

An Alabama Pastor Invited Coronavirus-Infected People to Church for Oil & Prayer

______________March 16

Trump-Supporting Pastor Mocks Church Members Who Skipped Service Due to COVID-19

Ignoring COVID-19, the Falwells’ Church Held a Huge Conference on Saturday

______________March 15

Archbishop: Drinking Holy Water is Fine Since “Christ Does Not Spread Germs”

Pastor: We’re Never Closing Church Because We’re Not Raising “Pansies” in Here

Falwell Won’t Close Liberty U., Says COVID-19 Is Just an “Attempt to Get Trump”

Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum Refuse to Close During Coronavirus Scare (March 15)

Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum Will Now Close Due to Coronavirus Scare (March 16)

Church Sets Attendance Goal of “AT LEAST 250 People” Despite Coronavirus Scare

______________March 14

Christian Mommy Blogger: Abortion and Being Trans Are Worse Than Coronavirus

“Messianic Communicator” Claims Religious Freedom in China Will Cure Coronavirus

Self-Described “Prophet” (Two Weeks Ago): The “Tide is Turning” on Coronavirus

Australian Pastor: The “Blood of Jesus” Will Protect My Church from Coronavirus

______________March 13

In Wake of Pandemic He Made Worse, Trump Calls for “National Day of Prayer”

Pastor: Coronavirus is Satan’s Way of Killing Old People So Socialism Can Thrive

Jerry Falwell, Jr. Falsely Claims Coronavirus May Be a North Korean Bioweapon

______________March 12

Pastor: Churches That Close Due to Coronavirus Are Run by Neutered “Pansies”

Christian Leader: Not Accepting Jesus is “a Sickness Far Worse Than Coronavirus”[/ur l]

Televangelist: Touch My Oily Hand Through the TV and I’ll Cure Your Coronavirus

Church of Cyprus: God Would Never Let Coronavirus Spread via Communion

______________March 11

Christian Activist: “Testifying Against Hillary” is Deadlier Than Coronavirus

Preacher: If Non-Christians Spread Coronavirus at My Events, I’ll Get Blamed

Filipino Catholics Won’t Conduct Ritual Crucifixions Due to Coronavirus

______________March 10

Missouri AG Sues Televangelist Jim Bakker for Selling Fake Coronavirus Cure

Catholic Leader: If We Cancel Mass Due to Coronavirus, We’ve “Lost Our Courage”

______________March 9

Orthodox Israeli Rabbi Claims Coronavirus is God’s Revenge for Gay Pride Parades
______________March 7

Right-Wing Pastor: God Sent Us Coronavirus Because of Homosexuality

______________March 6

Cindy Jacobs: I Declare the Coronavirus “Illegal” in God’s Name

French Catholic Shrine’s “Healing” Waters Shut Down Due To Coronavirus

______________March 5

New York AG to Jim Bakker: Stop Saying Your “Silver Solution” Cures Coronavirus

Catholic Churches Are Removing Holy Water Out of Fear of Spreading Coronavirus

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LOL I wrote the following in a post, nothing more:

"Ps 91:9-11,

9 Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways."​

It got moderated because it broke Rule 9. It must have offended some snowflake. The only part of Rule 9 that could possibly be the reason is, "creating unproductive content."

How in the world is your rant productive in any sense of the word? I won't report you, but what a joke!

 

[BilliardsBall]

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News items from the

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on a few Christian perspectives of the Coronavirus. ​

Yeah, I know this has nothing to do with the coronavirus, but it's just too ridiculous to leave out. ​

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You write as though cherry-picked articles speak for billions of Christians, but I can give you EVERY atheist's perspective:

1) The virus is meaningless
2) Life is ultimately meaningless
3) Death from the virus is meaningless
4) There is no hope from death from a virus or not from a virus

Does that help?

 

[rrobs]

You write as though cherry-picked articles speak for billions of Christians, but I can give you EVERY atheist's perspective:

1) The virus is meaningless
2) Life is ultimately meaningless
3) Death from the virus is meaningless
4) There is no hope from death from a virus or not from a virus

Does that help?

Ouch! That's gotta hurt.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

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(Loads of news articles about how Christians suck)

Yeah, I know this has nothing to do with the coronavirus, but it's just too ridiculous to leave out. ​

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Someone marked this "Informative". Where's the "Biased" button?

In actuality, many states the Episcopal or Methodist or whatever churches have blanket closed by order of their bishops (Church by church basis? Nah, you don't get a say in this, close down your church for several months without any income of be formally disciplined). This also includes important church events such as charities, community events, soup kitchens for the poor, and so on.

In other words, the church is asked by people who are more at home in politician's uniforms than clerical collars (bishops in name only) to turn their back on the poor, the needy, and the suffering. What about people who have been rejected by the state for things like food stamps? Food banks are often hosted in churches. I guess letting people starve is okay, as long as it discredits the church twice, first for mocking what is in fact a small disease, and second for doing nothing (even though their hands were tied).

Also, I remembered why I ignored you. You're being hypocritical about a situation that causes mass suffering to those who are asked to stay indoors yet have financial or survival reasons to be out. Churches do more than collect tithes. They actually use those tithes to help communities.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think I can't go without saying but no, Jesus is not the "god of Abraham". The Christian man-god has nothing to do with the God of Abraham and Moses.
Further problem there is that Jesus confirmed the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) in what he professes to believe in the New Testament, so Christians can't even claim to follow what their book says.
Don't get me started on the Old Testament (Tanakh) though, I've gotten very angry at Christians over this before. Christianity does not have proper hermeneutics. Christians are as bad as Atheists with their interpretations of those texts, it's shameful.

Please keep in mind there is a BIG difference between Christianity and Christendom ( so-called Christian)
Jesus said MANY would come in his name and prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, it should Not surprise us that the fake 'weed/tares' Christians outnumber the genuine 'wheat' Christians.

Right, in Scripture Jesus is Not the 'god of Abraham'.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him at Revelation 3:12.

 

[rrobs]

Please keep in mind there is a BIG difference between Christianity and Christendom ( so-called Christian)
Jesus said MANY would come in his name and prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, it should Not surprise us that the fake 'weed/tares' Christians outnumber the genuine 'wheat' Christians.

Right, in Scripture Jesus is Not the 'god of Abraham'.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him at Revelation 3:12.

I've asked hundreds of Christians that if Jesus is God, who is this God of God? Never got an answer, not once. Much simpler to just say, as do the scriptures, that Jesus is the son of God and, assuming words have meanings, he can not be God, i.e. his own Father. Unfortunately the adversary has talked too many out of the meaning of simple words and led them into blatant lies. Hopefully they'll be a revival and we can all know the Jesus whom Paul preached, not some other Jesus.

2Cor 11:4,

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].​

 

[URAVIP2ME]

....................... You're being hypocritical about a situation that causes mass suffering to those who are asked to stay indoors yet have financial or survival reasons to be out. Churches do more than collect tithes. They actually use those tithes to help communities.

True, Christians do 'collect ' but Not as under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law arrangement of tithing for the Levi's.
They collect in the sense of privately ' donating ' as per Matthew 6:1-4.
In other words, the only time Jesus ' passed the place ', so to speak, was when he fed people bread and fish.
So, there is No tithing under the Christian arrangement, No collection plates, No church envelopes.
Just anonymous giving in secret.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

LOL I wrote the following in a post, nothing more:

"Psalms 91:9-11,

9 Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways."........​

I find the ^ above ^ will prove true at the coming time of Isaiah 26:20.
A 'great crowd' of people will be ' saved/delivered/ rescued'' through the coming ''great tribulation ' -Revelation 7:14,9​

 

[rational experiences]

I find the ^ above ^ will prove true at the coming time of Isaiah 26:20.
A 'great crowd' of people will be ' saved/delivered/ rescued'' through the coming ''great tribulation ' -Revelation 7:14,9​

Humans are reading these quotes as if the natural Earth heavenly atmosphere acts with this purpose.

Then science claims, science was practiced temple/pyramid and we got irradiated by the body that comes from the Sun...extra radiation mass.

Written after the fact...a one of event, a one of summation.

But warned, and science will do it again under the demise Destroyer self.

Humans evolve by what was said to be RETURNED ICE...every December a holy act, that healed mutated baby DNA....so the baby life was returning.

Yet prophecized, when it heals, the same Destroyer consciousness will re emerge in life....and the Temple/Pyramid science re practiced and life attacked.

As the group of male Healers, Teachers proved their stigmata attacks. there is no need for any authority to have wanted their teaching stopped. Unless it involved greed and science. Makes no sense...for a male group to believe in the event, attack by God status, to be attacked for revealing information in the public.

To not only be ridiculed by the occult sciences in Roman control but totally ignored.

Then suddenly Rome believes and defends the Revelations...written after the fact of a detailed summation.

In that revealing science said so never change the body of Earth, as God stated ever again.

Yet said, just wait until human DNA heals again and returns, the Destroyer mentality re emerges. And it surely has.

Since when does a spiritual being claim I will give you a plague or viruses and then take them away from you. Why give it to us in the first instance?

Natural life, natural atmosphere, unnatural science attacks humans either live or die...same old story.