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Featured Can vegetarianism change the world?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Xavier Graham SA, Sep 8, 2021.

  1. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

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    I believe in literal karma. Whenever an animal is killed or mistreated for the sake of human consumption, that creates negative karma. Humanity suffers as a result of negative karma.
    I believe that the purpose of mankind is to become collectively enlightened, which would end the cycle of life, and bringing about the end times, whatever those times entail. I believe collective vegetarianism is a necessary step towards this end.
    What would happen if everyone went vegetarian/vegan? What would the net gain be? in relation to all the negative karma we would no longer incur through systematic animal abuse.
    Perhaps much of the suffering that humans face is a direct result of the suffering we force on billions of animals on a daily basis. Are we naive enough to think that we don’t suffer consequences for the suffering we cause other species?
    I’m a meat eater, guilty of taking part in animal cruelty. But what if myself, and all of you, stopped taking part in animal cruelty? Would the world change for the better? I think so.
     
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  2. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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  3. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    So change then. :)
     
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  4. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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  5. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    Ah, but more than offset by less farting cows :D


    "Our Western idea that farting is a sign of something being wrong" - I must have missed that memo.
     
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  6. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    I still think meat is important... what's the beef?
    Why Eating Meat Is Good For Health? – 9 Vital Reasons
     
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  7. Heyo

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    I don't believe in literal karma. I believe that actions have consequences, real life, material consequences.
    We would reduce climate gas emissions substantially (mostly methane, which is about 50 times as potent than CO2). We could sustain earths population with much less land mass. In short, our chances of survival as a species would increase.
    I also do eat meat - because it's so damn cheap. That shouldn't be because it takes more energy to produce meat than vegetarian products. I would go vegetarian again (I was for several years) if the choices weren't so limited and if it was not so expensive.
     
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  8. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    What is Flatulence?
    Flatulence is excessive formation of gas in the digestive tract. It sometimes can be the cause of severe pain, distention and bloating, as well as social embarrassment.

    What causes it?
    Most flatus is caused by bacteria in the colon, which ferment undigested food and create gas as a by-product. Swallowing air also contributes to the amount of gas in the intestines. Chewing gum, therefore, should be avoided if increased flatulence is a problem. In addition, foods that may increase intestinal gas are listed below.

    • legumes (dried peas and beans)
    • broccoli
    • cabbage
    • cauliflower
    • corn
    • cucumbers
    • onions
    • turnips
    Some other suggestions include:

    • Limit foods containing large amounts of air, i.e. carbonated beverages.
    • If you are increasing the fiber content of your diet, do so gradually.
    • Do not use a straw when drinking. This incorporates more air into the digestive tract.
    • Eat slowly and chew with your mouth closed.
    OTC Remedies

    • Simethicone is a defoaming agent. It causes gas bubbles to be broken down or coalesced into a form that can be eliminated more easily by belching or passing flatus. Simethicone is available by itself as Gas-X or Mylanta-Gas, or in combination with an antacid in Maalox Plus or Mylanta.
    • Beano is the brand name of a product containing an enzyme that decreases the gas production or bloating that results from eating various grains, cereals and legumes (e.g., oats, beans, lentils, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbages, onions, corn, etc.) It is added to these foods prior to consumption. Beano is also available
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  10. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    I guess you're not in the UK; vegan food shopping options have gone nuts (fair trade, organic) in the last few years.
     
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  11. beenherebeforeagain

    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
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    Let's say everyone becomes v/v tomorrow. There are literally billions of livestock animals, most of which will have no purpose in the food chain. We must either kill them all, or keep them alive and not reproducing until they die off naturally. Because I don't think enough people want cows, goats, chickens, and so on as pets.
     
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  12. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Like I said in an earlier thread on the same topic, it must really suck to be a tiger or bear.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Can vegetarianism change the world?
    Nah.
    Consider all the problems.
    It would mitigate some momentarily, but wouldn't solve any.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It's why I think cultured meat is the answer and the future. It's the real deal and not a substitute.

    No animal dies, great for costs and the environment, and it's suffering is limited to the few cells extracted to develop the meat. Win win all around.

    Once I find it at my store, I'm trying it out.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Chickens make great pets, they also give you egg breakfasts.
     
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    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
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    The real problem is that there are way too many humans and most of them are too wasteful with their resources...
     
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    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
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    of course, while many appreciate eggs, not everyone appreciates the 'greatness' of chickens as pets...:eek::oops::rolleyes:
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Einstein said that the greatest danger to this planet was our over-consumption of meat, which would help destroy our environment. With what we know with the environmental effect of methane gas, he may well have been right all along.
     
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    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    Literal karma? As opposed to?
     
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    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Our treatment of animals - confinement etc is something that should change. Humane treatment should be universal. I think deliberately inhumane treatment of animals does build karma.

    And we eat too much meat. Eating less substituting other protein sources can be tasty and healthy. So that is also something worth striving for.
     
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