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Featured Can religion exist separately from politics?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by RedMoonRising, Jan 10, 2021 at 5:50 PM.

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Can we separate religion from politics?

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  1. Yes, it is easy

  2. Yes, but it is difficult

  3. No, we cannot

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  1. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    Actually, it does. If you'd look at this stuff from the perspective of judges and legal experts, it would be illegal to have a state religion.
    Amd many terms and phrases do not actually appear in the Constitution but they are still valid anyway. Like you won't f8nd "separation of powers" in the Constitution as worded yet the concept is still constitutional law.
    That does mean secular.
    It's had too though because too often there is child abuse, exploitation, dangerous practices, and other atrocities that must be stamped out.
     
  2. RedMoonRising

    RedMoonRising We Are All Us

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    But is that true?

    I've read a bit of history
    The LDS used to be persecuted and shunned for the practice of polyamory
    and polyamory is still illegal
    even though some LDS considered it a religious practice


    In the past, followers of many religions practiced:
    • human sacrifice
    • trial by combat
    • witch trials
    • burning heretics at the stake
    • crucification of criminals or 'false' prophets
    Wouldn't your Congress prohibit such exercises?
    Wouldn't your courts punish such exercises with prison, or worse?


    It seems to me that, once again, the lines in the sand
    are not clear
    because the sands are shifting
     
  3. Jacques de Molay

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    I'm not sure how Government can legitimately ban polygamy, as tasteless as it may seem.

    Murder (human sacrifice) and trial-by-combat are a different story, altogether, as those are civil crimes, as well.
     
  4. RedMoonRising

    RedMoonRising We Are All Us

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    The US government once banned interracial marriage.
    Some US state governments still ban homosexual marriage.

    It seems to me like any kind of marriage could be banned
    I'm not sure if that's legitimate or not
    but it's the law


    Yes, they are.
    So religion is not protected
    when the government decides
    to make something a crime
     
  5. Jacques de Molay

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    Legitimate religions do NOT practice human sacrifice. And again, these are also crimes in the criminal code.

    Gay marriage is legal in every state in the USA.
     
  6. janesix

    janesix Active Member

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    They are too intertwined. Will never happen. I'm not sure it needs to happen though.
     
  7. RedMoonRising

    RedMoonRising We Are All Us

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    A lot of people here seem to want it.
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    The 'people wanted Kings' ( I suppose because surrounding nations had them ) and the first King 'Saul" was chosen by God.
    Remember: God was only governing over the one nation: ancient nation of ancient Israel.
    We do have separation of 'church and state ' so to speak as found at 2 Chronicles 26:16-21
    The king ( political ) was Not to interfere with the priests ( religious ) duties.
    and the priests ( religious ) were Not to interfere with the kings ( political ) duties.

    Remember: in Eden the Law of the Land, so to speak, was Not to eat from the forbidden tree.
    That would be a political law, or God's theocratic law.
    Not the so-called 'theocracy' modern definition of today meaning rule by clergy class. That is different from God's Law in Eden.

    We find that Now God as definitely chosen Jesus to be King for a thousand years over Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    Yes, even under Israel's temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law human sacrifice was Not to take place -> Jeremiah 32:34-35; Ezekiel 23:37
     
  10. RedMoonRising

    RedMoonRising We Are All Us

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    Human sacrifice was practiced
    by the Native Mexicans (Aztecs)
    by the (Pagan) Romans
    by the Punics/Carthaginians and the ancient Canaanites
    by the Celts and Germanic peoples
    by many others probably, it was a very ancient custom

    If they were alive, do you think they would beg to differ with you about this?

    Even today, governments sacrifice people for war, economy etc.

    Yes. the government does not protect religions from the criminal code.
    They have to agree to whatever

    I didn't know that. Does every religion agree with this?
     
  11. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    Surely that is just a subjective moral judgement though. Different times, different practices, and monogamy has what exactly to determine its rightfulness?
     
  12. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    Whereas in the USA he would proudly have declared it no doubt - but then we aren't so religiously inclined these days - fortunately. :oops:
     
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