Has a permanent closure happened?
No.
It's still just a threat to the people who consider themselves above the law and morality.
The rest of us can only hope that the threat works and reduces the spread of C19.
Tom
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Blasio Threatens to Shut Down Religious Buildings Permanently If Churches Do Not Temporarily Close
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No.
It's still just a threat to the people who consider themselves above the law and morality.
The rest of us can only hope that the threat works and reduces the spread of C19.
Tom
How are they being singled out?
The problem is that other similar gatherings are already, temporarily, suspended. No ball games, no concerts, no theatre, no movies. It's only religious folks who keep putting people at risk by making unsupported claims and putting their own preferences above the common good.
And your politicizing of this is despicable. State and local governments are working with what the White House puts out. But I never hear you mention that the Republican POTUS, Trump, said stupid things.
Tom
You raise an important point. We need to be really careful about scary, extreme headlines and stories and look at what was really said and why.
exchemist
Veteran Member
They'll have a job not complying, if they've nowhere to congregate.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Where does it say that De Blasio was threatening to permantly shut down churches after the social distancing orders are over?
I read that De Blasio was allowing up to 10 people to have services, but any over that would cause police to shut down the service. If this wasn't followed by churches, he would permanently close churches.
There was no mention of beyond the temporary guidelines. I noticed this story is only being covered by RW media, that's a red flag.
Point out where he said this would be permanent, forever, finish.. What is De Blasio's response to the RW outcry?
Methinks he was referring to permanently closing churches during the social distancing period. Not even allowing the 10 maximum.
That's what makes sense.
I read that De Blasio was allowing up to 10 people to have services, but any over that would cause police to shut down the service. If this wasn't followed by churches, he would permanently close churches.
There was no mention of beyond the temporary guidelines. I noticed this story is only being covered by RW media, that's a red flag.
Point out where he said this would be permanent, forever, finish.. What is De Blasio's response to the RW outcry?
Methinks he was referring to permanently closing churches during the social distancing period. Not even allowing the 10 maximum.
That's what makes sense.
No, that doesn't make sense.
Complete closure, not even 10 participants, is complete closure. Not permanent closure.
Permanent closure is closed for good. Not temporarily closed.
I hope the Mayor means permanent closure, because only a threat that big seems likely to protect the public health from Christian leaders.
Tom
If the operators of a different sort of venue, like a restaurant or movie theater or crack house, flaunted the law this way I'd have no problem with hitting them hard as well. Up to, and including, confiscating their real estate.
Tom
ETA ~I have the same attitude towards the kids who went to spring break parties.
If the school kicks them out, no refunds, doesn't allow them back on campus and so they flunk all their classes....
Not sorry!
They picked it.
I'm not interested in discrimination against any group, including religious folks. Just holding to the same standards.~
Tom
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Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
They might meet in the streets or in people's homes, and might literally fight cops who try to break them up. You're from the UK, right? Maybe you're unfamiliar with the combination of religious fanatacism and guns that we have in America. I say it's better to be pragmatic and not p!ss them off. Yes, enforce the laws now and don't allow them to congregate, but threatening to shut their doors permanently is sure to bring trouble.
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
And because Blasio is no dummy, common sense dictates that the "permanently" only applies to the duration of the threat. Blasio's problem is in not qualifying his "permanently." Just as in Ezekiel 23:19 where it says
“Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals – as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.”
Think there were men whose genitals were as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions?
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Gotta admire how you can make almost any topic become sexual.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
You underestimate the apeal of crying persecution
What does "enforce the laws" mean in this context?
Certain leaders are actively flaunting the laws and encouraging their followers to do the same.
Threatening their ownership of property is an attempt to enforce the laws that everyone else is abiding by.
Tom
Skwim
Veteran Member
Hey, it's the Bible that keeps bringing up sex.Gotta admire how you can make almost any topic become sexual.
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2 Corinthians 12:21
21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.
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Ephesians 5:3
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.-
Ephesians 5:33
33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.-
Galatians 5:19
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;-
Genesis 2:24
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
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Hebrews 13:4
4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.-
1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men-
1 Corinthians 6:18
18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.-
1 John 1:9
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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Mark 7:22-23
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”-
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God;-
Mark 10:6-9
6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”-
Proverbs 5:15-19
15 Drink water from your own cistern, running water from your own well. 16 Should your springs overflow in the streets, your streams of water in the public squares? 17 Let them be yours alone, never to be shared with strangers. 18 May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. 19 A loving doe, a graceful deer— may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love.-
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
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Song of Songs 7:6-12
6 How beautiful you are and how pleasing, my love, with your delights! 7 Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. 8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, 9 and your mouth like the best wine. May the wine go straight to my beloved, flowing gently over lips and teeth. 10 I belong to my beloved, and his desire is for me. 11 Come, my beloved, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages. 12 Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom— there I will give you my love.-
1 Corinthians 6:13-20
13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies
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exchemist
Veteran Member
Guns? Do you really think there will be gun battles with the police over this? Come off it.
You're from GB.
You wouldn't get it.
Yes, there are heavily armed Christians here looking for a reason to get Armageddon underway. Believe me when I say this. It's a real threat in the USA.
Tom
Without even looking up the original quotation, it sounds like he mentioned that as an absolute last straw after temporary closure and fines. I'd be amazed if that actually happened.
It's ridiculous that these tax-exempt organizations think they can completely flaunt public health directives which risk killing their own fellow congregants, not to mention the rest of the public.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Well, you would know, I guess!
But in that case I shall look forward with great amusement to another absurd "only-in-America" shoot-out, this time between the city cops and a bunch of fundie Christians.
Well, you would know, I guess!
But in that case I shall look forward with great amusement to another absurd "only-in-America" shoot-out, this time between the city cops and a bunch of fundie Christians.
I'm not.
From the OKC federal bombing to Sandyhook to the Orlando club to the CW concert in Las Vegas, mass killings happen here.
A lot.
I expect Christians who feel persecuted, because they are being held to the same standards as everyone else, to start a bunch of violence here. And then there's the problem of Trump supporters feeling persecuted because leftist media quote him verbatim, instead of editing his quotes the way rightist media does.
Really, I expect a spate of violence because extremists, with guns, get agitated by the media.
Tom