Bad For Jews in the UK?

[exchemist]

I follow closely what is going on with Jews in the world. The truth is that things are bad for Jews all over Europe, but especially bad in the UK, France, Germany, and Sweden. Jews have been emigrating for a while now, especially from France.

People don't get it. Things are as bad many places as 1939. Jews are being accosted in the streets, even violently attacked. Some places such as France we are being killed. The police and other authorities look the other way. There are political parties that consider us a "problem."

As I said, the problem in the UK is particularly bad. Your police look the other way when Jews are accosted. Your Labour party is virulently anti-Semitic and no one cares. Israeli news says that right now one in three Jews is thinking of leaving the UK. If Labour is elected to power, you will see a mass exodus of Jews from the UK, it will make the emigration that is happening now seem insignificant. We simply don't have the leisure of staying.

Regarding the UK, this is hysterical rubbish.

There is no significant UK political party that has any antisemitic policies whatsoever. There is admittedly a problem with a section of the far-left of Labour, whose support for the Palestinians can lead them to be antisemitic, but that is about it. These people are not in power and do not set, or reflect, the policy of Labour. Where there is undeniably a vein of antisemitism in the UK, it is among the political islamists in the immigrant communities. The police are active in combatting this scourge. They do not look the other way: that is just lies. In Britain, all the serious political parties, and all the institutions of the state are committed to treating our Jewish citizens just like anyone else. There are no serious political parties that consider Jews "a problem". That is just lies as well.

It debases the currency of history to equate this with Nazi Germany in 1939, where the the party in power and the whole of the government's machinery was systematically disseminating anti-Jew propaganda, had already pushed Jews out of jobs, deprived them of the vote and the right to marry non-Jews and totally marginalised them. It sounds as if you either do not know your own history or else you have been reading ludicrous extremist propaganda. If you really think that is the situation today in Britain (or in France), then quite frankly you need psychiatric help.

For God's sake, think what you are saying!

 

[rosends]

Yeah, what ever. I've met some very kind ones, but mostly we remember the bad experiences. I'm not supposing a thing. I'll let your G_d deal with it.

"kind ones" -- you mean "humans", right? Or are you deciding that the kindness or malice you see in people is directly related to religious identity? Did all of the "ones" you saw have brown hair? Or like rom-coms? When we start to try and create group identities and connect traits to that identity, we end up making untoward connections.

 

[Notanumber]

Regarding the UK, this is hysterical rubbish.

There is no significant UK political party that has any antisemitic policies whatsoever. There is admittedly a problem with a section of the far-left of Labour, whose support for the Palestinians can lead them to be antisemitic, but that is about it. These people are not in power and do not set, or reflect, the policy of Labour. Where there is undeniably a vein of antisemitism in the UK, it is among the political islamists in the immigrant communities. The police are active in combatting this scourge. They do not look the other way: that is just lies. In Britain, all the serious political parties, and all the institutions of the state are committed to treating our Jewish citizens just like anyone else. There are no serious political parties that consider Jews "a problem". That is just lies as well.

It debases the currency of history to equate this with Nazi Germany in 1939, where the the party in power and the whole of the government's machinery was systematically disseminating anti-Jew propaganda, had already pushed Jews out of jobs, deprived them of the vote and the right to marry non-Jews and totally marginalised them. It sounds as if you either do not know your own history or else you have been reading ludicrous extremist propaganda. If you really think that is the situation today in Britain (or in France), then quite frankly you need psychiatric help.

For God's sake, think what you are saying!

What about the leader of the Labour Party?

Jeremy Corbyn falls behind Theresa May in leadership poll after wreath ceremony controversy

The British Police Service and other authorities are very good at looking the other way when it suits them.

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[exchemist]

What about the leader of the Labour Party?

Jeremy Corbyn falls behind Theresa May in leadership poll after wreath ceremony controversy

The British Police Service and other authorities are very good at looking the other way when it suits them.

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In my opinion there is no evidence Corbyn is personally antisemitic. What he is is pro-Palestinian - and therefore anti-Israeli. But that is a different matter. Many of us are appalled by some of the policies of Israel under Netanyahu - as are many Jews, of course. And even if Corbyn were personally antisemitic, the official policies of the Labour Party most emphatically are not.

If you have evidence the police have a practice of looking the other way regarding antisemitic attacks, I'd be interested to see it.

 

[Shaul]

It is confusing. When I was a very observant Muslim, I still respected the Jews, as do most Muslims. I've met nice Jews and those who I just wanted to punch. The same is true of Baptists, Catholics, Mormons and Atheists...

Have you met any Muslims you wanted to punch?

 

[Ellen Brown]

"kind ones" -- you mean "humans", right? Or are you deciding that the kindness or malice you see in people is directly related to religious identity? Did all of the "ones" you saw have brown hair? Or like rom-coms? When we start to try and create group identities and connect traits to that identity, we end up making untoward connections.

This conversation if finished. Go your way in peace.

 

[Shaul]

Muslims can eat Bacon if there is no other food. Is the rule the same for Jews?

No.

I’m trying to imagine where the only food available was bacon, but I can’t.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I find this extremely hard to believe.

Just do some googling. It's all over the news. The problems with the Labour party. Jews leaving the UK. Etc.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No.

I’m trying to imagine where the only food available was bacon, but I can’t.

What if a Jewish scientist were doing field work in New Guinea in ages past, and he ran out of his own food, and the only food in the village was tuber and pig.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Have you met any Muslims you wanted to punch?

Just did a few moments ago, but I'll just assume he's from ISIS.

 

[Notanumber]

In my opinion there is no evidence Corbyn is personally antisemitic. What he is is pro-Palestinian - and therefore anti-Israeli. But that is a different matter. Many of us are appalled by some of the policies of Israel under Netanyahu - as are many Jews, of course. And even if Corbyn were personally antisemitic, the official policies of the Labour Party most emphatically are not.

Take your pick from these and then read the comments section.

100 Times Jeremy Corbyn Sided With Terrorists -

Jeremy Corbyn himself defended that grotesque racist caricature in East London.

After that the party told the Jewish community it knows more than they do about anti-Semitism by refusing to adopt the standard definition.

And now we’ve seen how Jeremy, the self-proclaimed “militant opponent of anti-Semitism”, has spent so much time associating with or defending all sorts of extremists and in some cases anti-Semites and terrorists.

And every time he has spoken since he has made matters worse by refusing to acknowledge the scale of the crisis, address his role in its development or deal with it properly.

Thousands of Jewish people including Auschwitz survivors - many of them lifelong Labour supporter and many of them on the first protest of their lives - assembled in Parliament Square to plead with the Labour Party to listen and act.

The leadership of the Jewish Community’s mainstream organisations set out a series of perfectly reasonable demands which the party has so far refused to address.

Blaming The Jewish Community For Labour's Anti-Semitism Crisis Is Unacceptable

If you have evidence the police have a practice of looking the other way regarding antisemitic attacks, I'd be interested to see it.

They have form and plenty of it.

 

[exchemist]

They have form and plenty of it.

Examples of police policy regarding antisemitism? Got any?

 

[Shaul]

What if a Jewish scientist were doing field work in New Guinea in ages past, and he ran out of his own food, and the only food in the village was tuber and pig.

Hypothesis non fingo

 

[Notanumber]

Examples of police policy regarding antisemitism? Got any?

Gideon Falter, chairman of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, which compiled the analysis, said: “The failure of police forces and the Crown Prosecution Service to protect British Jews is a betrayal.

“The solutions are simple, but whilst the right promises are being made, little has been implemented. The result is that British Jews continue to endure intolerable levels of hate crime.

“Britain has the political will to fight anti-Semitism and strong laws with which to do it, but those responsible for tackling the rapidly growing racist targeting of British Jews are failing to enforce the law.

“There is a very real danger of Jewish citizens emigrating, as has happened elsewhere in Europe unless there is radical change.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...crime-home-secretary-amber-rudd-a7842616.html

 

[RabbiO]

No.

Actually the answer is yes and I am surprised you would answer otherwise.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

After that the party told the Jewish community it knows more than they do about anti-Semitism by refusing to adopt the standard definition.

The Labour Party's objection to the "standard definition" (drawn up by Jews) involved saying it is not antisemitic to say that
> the policies of Israel are racist
> some Jews are more loyal to Israel than to their own country
> some defenders of Israel employ double standards
That all sounds pretty obvious to me.

As for the idea that antisemitism can only be defined by Jews, does that imply that the Catholic Church should be allowed to define what constitutes unacceptable criticism of them?

There are too many people demanding special treatment these days. If you criticism Muslims, you're "Islamophobic"; if you criticise Jews, you're "antisemitic". Should I invent a word to denigrate those who criticise me?

My answer to the British Jews who complain is simple: if you don't like my country, no-one is preventing you from leaving.

 

[rosends]

Actually the answer is yes and I am surprised you would answer otherwise.

Properly, the answer is "maybe and sometimes depending on a whole lotta variables."

 

[RabbiO]

Properly, the answer is "maybe and sometimes depending on a whole lotta variables."

You're right. I should have provided a more nuanced answer.... even though, in truth, it would have lacked the pizazz of your own.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

When there is a double standard, when Syria is committing war crimes by gassing its enemies, but it is Israel that is condemned by the Security Council, that IS anti-Semitism. There should be ONE standard of behavior for every nation, including the Palestinians.

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All one needs is a general knowledge of history to recognize a new world wide emergence of antisemitism. This 'new' antisemitism usually expresses itself as 'Israel hate'. The perps are too fearful of clearly stating they hate Jews, because the holocaust still is too horrific, and thus unpopular to be used by the haters. But the leftist media has made hating Israel popular. So if you are despise Israel you can hate the Jews incognito and still be cool and popular! Even in this forum the majority of members seem to express an vague anti-Israel/Jewish sentiment. Our forum is just a microcosm of the worlds population isn't it? Think about it.

I think the worlds non-Jewish population is being prepared by the media to dislike the Jewish people via using 'anti-Israel propaganda'. One only needs to remember the massive anti Jewish propaganda 1930's and 40's era to see the same thing happening today, however its just getting started and fairly mild in content. In the WW2 era it wasn't Progressive Leftist Media dehumanizing the Jewish people, it was the National socialists etc. Lets pray the result will not be the same.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Yeah, what ever. I've met some very kind ones, but mostly we remember the bad experiences. I'm not supposing a thing. I'll let your G_d deal with it.

God is dealing with it, why do you think Israel has never lost a war against the Arab nations despite being massively out gunned and out manned? Sadly its going to get worse. The Arabs and those supporting them will fail in the next attack against Israel, an' its going to be messy~