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This, too, is debated.
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
1. No, there is no meaning to break crimes.
2. Not dangerous at all.
3. We are animals.
AhmadSyahir
Active Member
If I don't believe in religion, I think I will not afraid to break the law since we'll all die anyway. No punishment; nothing.
AhmadSyahir
Active Member
Many people commit sin nowaday right??
Gaura Priya
IRL
Brahmo Samaj, or Brahmoism. I really like it.
Principles:
Articles of Faith:
Principles:
Articles of Faith:
AhmadSyahir
Active Member
May I ask you?? Is it mean that god is every being on this world??
Gaura Priya
IRL
No. Brahmoism is panentheistic monotheism.
What I strive for...
"One who is not envious but is a kind friend to all living entities, who does not think himself a proprietor [a person who has the exclusive right or title to something] and is free from false ego, who is equal in both happiness and distress, who is tolerant, always satisfied, self-controlled, and engaged in devotional service with determination, his mind and intelligence fixed on Me, such a devotee of Mine is very dear to Me. He for whom no one is put into difficulty and who is not disturbed by anyone, who is equipoised in happiness and distress, fear and anxiety, is very dear to Me." -Bhagavad Gita 12.13-15
"Those who follow this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engage themselves with faith, making Me the supreme goal, are very, very dear to Me." - Bhagavad Gita 12.20
"Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend." - Bhagavad Gita 18.65
Attaining Krishna will mean liberation from the cycle of birth, death and rebirth. It will mean spending all of eternity in His blissful presence and company.
"One who is not envious but is a kind friend to all living entities, who does not think himself a proprietor [a person who has the exclusive right or title to something] and is free from false ego, who is equal in both happiness and distress, who is tolerant, always satisfied, self-controlled, and engaged in devotional service with determination, his mind and intelligence fixed on Me, such a devotee of Mine is very dear to Me. He for whom no one is put into difficulty and who is not disturbed by anyone, who is equipoised in happiness and distress, fear and anxiety, is very dear to Me." -Bhagavad Gita 12.13-15
"Those who follow this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engage themselves with faith, making Me the supreme goal, are very, very dear to Me." - Bhagavad Gita 12.20
"Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend." - Bhagavad Gita 18.65
Attaining Krishna will mean liberation from the cycle of birth, death and rebirth. It will mean spending all of eternity in His blissful presence and company.
Renji
Well-Known Member
That's why Jesus died on the cross, so that we may be saved (through faith in him and our actions). Also, in Catholicism, it's not just from personal sin that each person commits but also from the original sin committed by our first parents.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
...of course there is punishment. It's called the legal system, personal guilt, vendettas, etc. Just because it isn't absolute doesn't mean it isn't there.
lunamoth
Will to love
Zoroastrianism?: Zoroastrianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
a touch. I might look into it more at some point
Villager
Active Member
Christianity is frequently claimed, but seldom apparently understood. If the person called 'Christ' spoke accurately, this disparity is only to be expected. He was recorded as saying:
'"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"' Mt 7:22-23 NIV
And also:
'This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.' Jn 3:19-20 NIV
How many men? The generality, one may suppose. And other statements confirm that.
"Enter through the narrow gate; because wide is the gate, and broad is the road, that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate, and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."' Mt 7:13-14
So any mass movement that claims to follow this man, or even to take inspiration from him, contradicts him, and cannot follow him, no matter how much they may say, "Lord, Lord." With Christianity, big is not beautiful; it is disastrous. That does not mean that small is necessarily beautiful, of course. It does mean, however, that one may need to look hard for signs of true followers; and one may find none.
One needs to understand the word 'Christ' to understand why Christianity is the faith of only a few. In short, it means one who is lord, i.e. the director of one's life, because he is saviour. Saviour from the consequences of one's guilty conscience, which, in Christ's teaching, is eternal, and eternally damning, without a saviour. In gratitude, the person who relies upon the perfect conscience of the Christ lives in obedience to him, the Christ thus becoming lord of his or her life, and in every aspect. Other religions in every case propose that a state of contentment and happiness in this and/or the next life can be achieved by effort- works of philanthropy, of ritual, of self denial, in any combination.
The commonest human reaction to the offer of a perfect conscience is negative- most people wish to retain control of their lives, and in every aspect. That is one reason why the verdict mentioned is that people love darkness, in which one's life can be hidden; not light, that exposes shameful deeds, words and even thoughts.
However, the principle objection of some is not the loss of autonomy that Christianity requires, though that is great enough an objection of theirs. It is the perceived insult to personal pride. Even that one needs a saviour is too much for some, even though their evil ways may be known to everyone (as is usually the case). Perhaps they are right, perhaps they are morally perfect; but they are guilty of double-speak if they both admit that they need a saviour but also reckon to chip in towards gaining a perfect conscience by doing good deeds. This is impossible, for one thing, because a bad deed, even a bad thought, cannot ever be undone. It is there, in the consciousness, and the conscience, for ever, even if ample reparation is made.
Moreover, it in effect tells the Christ, the deity, that his righteousness needs 'topping up' that, in effect, God is not God at all. It is simple blasphemy, in anyone's view of the matter. So any who claim to be Christian maintain that humanity is not justified by faith, and only by faith, is in effect a blasphemer, knowingly or not. At the very instant that a person supposes that heaven must, or can be achieved by effort- works of philanthropy, of ritual, of self denial, in any combination, faith in Christ is totally lost. It's one, or the other, that one may choose, never both. If one chooses to be saved by one's works, even one work, then one must reject a christ, and choose a religion that does not pretend to be Christianity. One cannot, as an honest and informed person, in those circumstances claim to be a Christian. That is why those who make that claim, knowingly, are, in the view of Christianity, due a fate worse than that of any others. It may be that the vilest criminal who ever lived, who made no claim to Christianity, will experience an eternity preferable to those to whom it will be said, "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"
AhmadSyahir
Active Member
Well, many Christians now don't have the faith in him. So do many people from other religions in that have left their religions faith. Many people live for fun and to achive world pleasure. Religion will be given the last priority in life.
May I ask you?? Didn't Jesus came from jews area?? He died in Jerusalem which was once Jewish city. Doesn't that mean Christianity is from Judaism.
I thought that would be obviousAhmadSyahir
Active Member
That's weird. Judaism has been there in Jerusalem before Christian. How can Judaism come from Christianity which is believed to established after the crusifixion.
Villager
Active Member
Where was Judaism in the 2nd century after Jesus?
Judaism (which was not the name that the first people called Jews gave themselves) is named after Judah, a descendant of Abraham. Christianity started with Abraham- according to Christians, who are ignored; seemingly with great determination.