Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
You might want to look into Babylonian religion and its predecessor the Sumerian religion.
the world was created from the body of Tiamat an elder goddess who was killed by the younger generation of gods.
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the world was created from the body of Tiamat an elder goddess who was killed by the younger generation of gods.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
I think you claim Islam, not Christianity. Islam was started with Abraham too, and even before that with Adam.
also, you are one of the only Christians who has been making that claim. at lease here on RF. perhaps you need to regroup with your camp and finalize a version.
the rest of us are looking at it from an historical point of view. Jews have a recorded history, this history has existed prior to the time of the (Jewish) New Testament, and after the (Jewish) New Testament. the New Testament is certainly not the end of Judaism. it is an offshoot of a larger society. this offshoot has inspired Western civilization. your revisionism will make your belief system fall eventually, when you will discover you have uprooted its foundation and when you will have to face the historical baggage and the historical facts.
I'm afraid to tell you, that history exists despite your agenda. don't let it make a whooshing sound as it flies by you.
Villager
Active Member
Too? Was Abraham a serial believer, or a serious schizophrenic?
Interesting claims. Do you have links?
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Simple. just like you, other people are inclusive about a Jewish patriarch in order to legitimize their faith.
Villager
Active Member
It's quite a step to say that there are several Abrahamic faiths, then that there are none.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Are we even on the same thread? is it possible that at least in one post you will be clear on what you say?
Villager
Active Member
I expect so. We have before us the idea that there are three or more Abrahamic faiths. There can be only one, at most. It is true that Abraham may have been fictional, and there are no Abrahamic faiths, but the people to assert that are hardly those who suppose that there can be several.
The Christian claim is that true faith started with Abraham, the first historical figure in the Bible, and that because he was justified by faith, and not works. The New Testament view is entirely in accord with that view of Abraham- and all other views are out of accord with it, as it happens. Those who take another view may be correct, nevertheless, but the coherence and systematic unity of the whole Tanakh and NT have been the subject of intense scholarship at the highest level for five hundred years, since scholarship of that view was permissible, and cannot be merely dismissed, not with any intellectual credibility, at any rate.
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Or it is true that Abraham is a figure of great importance to three Abrahamic religions.
Villager
Active Member
So which thread are we in now? The one that admits that Abraham was not a serial believer, if not schizoid? Or the one that insists that he was one, or the other?
Can we be appraised of which basis for discussion is to be agreed?
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Speak clearly Villager, and stop going in circles. I assume you've been in enough forums to know the difference between trolling a thread and actually engaging in a coherent discussion.
Villager
Active Member
Certainly. Answer this question, giving the answer yes, or no.
Did Abraham have more than one religion?
AhmadSyahir
Active Member
If you ask Christians the answer will be no. Same goes to the rest of Abrahamic religion. Can a man bring 3 religion that against each other?? No. If the religion start with Abraham, how is the people before him?? In Islam, Abraham (Ibrahim) is another Rasul (Prophet). He was ordered to build Ka'aba that we see today.