PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
I'm sorry, that post went through 4 times. Could a mod please delete the extras?
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Attention Atheists: Validity Issues
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Frubals for making me laugh. 
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
ikitikitembo said:
The assumption that we must know everything in the universe to prove that God does not exist is wrong. We don't need to know everything. We just need to know enough to contradict the idea of God.
it works with other things as well.
I can say that there are no even prime numbers greater than 2. Does that mean that I have checked every single even number to see if it's prime? No, of course not, it's impossible. But we do now the properties of a prime number, and we can figure out that every even number greater than 2 has a separate property that is in direct contradiction with the properties of a prime number. However, according to your logic, we can't say that there are no even primes greater than two without checking every single even number. Obviously an impossible task.
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
Everything I have to say on this subject has been said except one thing:
It really really annoys me that theists are taking it upon themselves to sit back and pidgeon-hole athiesm and atheists by analyzing it like it's some animal experiment.
If you've never been an atheist, and don't understand the perspective we are coming from, what exactly gives you the ability to define atheism? Because you've hung out here and seen some of the things we have to say?
Should I then claim that even though I am an atheist since I have spent considerable time among Christians, I should be able to officially determine who is and who is not one?
It really really annoys me that theists are taking it upon themselves to sit back and pidgeon-hole athiesm and atheists by analyzing it like it's some animal experiment.
If you've never been an atheist, and don't understand the perspective we are coming from, what exactly gives you the ability to define atheism? Because you've hung out here and seen some of the things we have to say?
Should I then claim that even though I am an atheist since I have spent considerable time among Christians, I should be able to officially determine who is and who is not one?
pandamonk
Active Member
I'm sure this has probably been said before, and if so I appologise. I'm just too lazy to read through 13 pages and over 100 posts. If the strong atheist needs to know everything to claim that they simply know that God does not exist, then surely this must also apply to theists(strong theists?)who claim that they know that God does exist. The only suitable conclusion, if this is true, is agnostisism, or weak atheism/theism. If this happened, then no religion(especially christianity)should have any power whatsoever.
logician
Well-Known Member
"Strong atheism my friends, is quite simply, nonsense. Non-sense. No...sense. It's unsensible to the possibilities of what you don't know. It's inconsiderate to lack of intellectual capabilities of the human race. It's baseless, illogical thinking. It's invalid, unfounded, and ungrounded. It's an embarrassment to those who take the time, and reason through to their lack of faith in God. It's humiliating to the progression of the human understanding of truth & science: man's number one accomplishment ("truth" and "science" practically being synonymous, as science is simply a subdivision of truth). It's degrading to the self, and the mark of an ignorant, irrational mind. Following this through, I now have only one thing to say about strong atheism: It does not, and should not, exist. (CONTINUES TO NEXT POST)
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IS this guy for real? The multiverse can easily get along w/o a god, it's just as easy to say that matter and energy have always existed as to say some supernatural entity has always existed. Also, no clear definition of exactly what a "god" is or means here is given.
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IS this guy for real? The multiverse can easily get along w/o a god, it's just as easy to say that matter and energy have always existed as to say some supernatural entity has always existed. Also, no clear definition of exactly what a "god" is or means here is given.
I seem to have been locked out of religious forums for considerable bit of time, I haven't had time to examine everything on this thread but my initial impression is that atheists are being dissected into several categories. Have those who don't give a damn if there is a supernatural being or not but folks ought behave decently anyway been classified yet?
JerryL
Well-Known Member
Is there a real easter bunny?
There isn't?
Do you know everything to establish that there is not an easter bunny?
Saying "there is no God" as a general term is like saying "there is no Easter Bunny". It's possible that there are, though it's entirely unevidenced. No athiest I know meets either catigorization. They don't believe in a God the same way you don't believe in an Easter Bunny or pink Unicorn.
Of course, it's possible to concretely rule out a particular idea of God by establishing it as self-contrary or incompatable with known fact.
waR toRn Rebel
Member
logician said:
ummm......:no:
Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
Um, hares don't hop, they run. Like buggery. Up and down the hallway. They also stand up on their hind legs and drum themselves silly on available surfaces, eat marmalade on toast and jump around on the spot for no apparent reason. They've also been documented to scale wire fences and bugger off down the local prison garden for a cabbage.Paw said:
I never actually saw either of the hares I have had the pleasure of belonging to carry a basket of eggs about the place, however that isn't to say it didn't happen just because I didn't see it.
