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Featured Atheists: If God existed would God… (Continued)

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Trailblazer, Aug 3, 2022.

  1. rational experiences

    rational experiences Well-Known Member

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    First sin in a lying human mans brother agreed terms teaching is a science thesis.

    His human man's thoughts only.

    Said the sun not only sacrificed set alight earths immaculate clear heavens.

    It made sin..K holes. Lots of them.

    In science no man owns sin. As we live stand walk on gods rock. We never owned sin.

    If a human says the all loving support of God is due to my human self living. Not harmed. Not sacrificed. Not brain changed. Or bodily changed. The all loving God is typified by those types.

    Allowing my consciousness and health to be happy and loving.

    Greatest highest terms in created creation not changing nor hurting life.

    As life lives in a fixed and stable mass environment. Holy water heavens above and below. Oxygenated by natures garden.

    A human lives after the presence garden is not allowed to curse God. To say satanic words...theisms calculus.

    So as different men own different phenomena attacks you theme advice differently.

    Baha'i was already a loving human man. His faith pre existed. He owned a new human experience.

    The old experience merciful meant men knew the earth's mercy seat as it's existent body rock had been converted by men of temple science. Taught it differently.

    Baha'i attack was just star fall.

    Ancient life attack caused by human technology.

    As family is human first. We need to stop inferring hierarchy.

    If a human believes in harming others their brain mind won't change by meditative praying and silence and honour of life's holiness.

    Is who doesn't love God.
    As if God isn't Idealised by its status then why teach a status?

    It's man who defied God.

    And origin god of no beginning eternal is unconditional love. So you proffer your service for brain entrainment.

    Ceremony to heal. He refuses.
     
  2. Clara Tea

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    Suffering exists (regardless of logic).

    God exists (if you choose to believe that God exists, and that is regardless of logic).

    But, if God is all-powerful, and all-knowing, then he is aware of the suffering, and he has the power to stop the suffering, but chooses not to.
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    Free will wouldn't be totally free if there were known consequences. That is, if you were punished for doing something, you are not totally free to do it.
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    It is not up to us mere humans to decide what a God "should do." Yet, a loving God would end suffering (otherwise, He's not a loving God).
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    God, exalted beyond all that can ever be recounted or perceived, is beyond logic, you claim. Yet, logic should still apply, even to a God. The laws of common sense should still apply.
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    True, God chooses what God does. God also sees the future, so might know why he does things that are not immediately obvious to humans. Yet, a loving God should not allow suffering.
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    Logically impossible for God to become a man and rise from the dead, you claim. Yet, some claim that Jesus was not God, but the son of God. There are scriptures to confirm this idea, as well.
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    While it might be true that God can do anything, a loving God would be restricted to do loving things. To do otherwise would mean that He is not loving.
     
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  3. rational experiences

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    When you say God you use men terms.

    So do you god man love humanity?

    No.

    A lot of you reason why they should use god given powers like nuclear as God told them how...meaning created creation. How to destroy family.

    I'm doing gods work he says.

    Yet in every nation a huge family population lives innocently.

    So we were taught about the God destroyer conscious mentality. Leadership and agreement.

    Society history of rich men.

    True fact.

    So if you say to a human just imagine no human exists. As we all do die someday.

    Where's your god then?

    Some humans say when I die I'll be with my god.

    Okay which type?

    As stone rock first God in human stories science themes is stone. Your skeleton ends with God. Can't make a resource out of our bones brother.

    Or they say my living lived life recorded as I lived is with God in the heavens after. Proven as AI mans machines uses heavens human images recording. So it's not a resource either.

    So where's God?

    In my teachings the eternal the body we were humanly separated from owns one more of my life experience.

    No one contacts that spirit. You awake being it.

    So what is the God science is looking for....a substance? Seeing the thesis today is in seeking the answer to all things.

    Just a theory. A belief. An idea. And it's not about knowing. It's about having it to destroy it as a resource.

    Is the brother who theories falsely.

    The loving god who ends suffering allowed us to die. Pretty basic human truth. Separated from the eternal. Then we are rewarded being who we always were first.

    Not in any review is it human owned. It's self owned as our own creator.
     
  4. lewisnotmiller

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    It's not 'ironic'. It's a misconception on your part. I explained this already. Atheists...by definition...cannot 'blame God' for anything.
     
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  5. rational experiences

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    As a loving human I never would claim by my choice I'll stop suffering if I decide to.

    Determined egotism. I'll create you. Put you with family who like hurting family as you deserve to be hurt. Are human thoughts only.

    The story I was taught said creation never owned a purpose. It was just a cause.

    Son of God as described by just a man theist. Who does all thinking ideas.

    Knows his human father he never is. As a baby to man he's a son.

    Inheritor idea.

    So you Idealised it about earths God rock body.

    As it conceived gas heavens with space womb. You named the son of God with mother of God immaculate spirit. That was sacrificed to give us the light of life.

    Nowhere else does that term exist.

    Then you liar theist Satanists converter of earth mass dusts. Made sink holes.

    You then taught God as one rock mass released its inheritor. It didn't.

    Gas spirit was sacrificed. Leaving a hole only. Son of the earth inheritor sacrificed.

    Void vacuum womb made it stay from its removal. Otherwise none of us would be living today. Mother void womb put it back into the tomb position.
     
  6. ChristineM

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    Wow and here was me blaming harry potter all the time.

    Nope the point out the stupidity of theists only attributing the good bits to their god and denying the bits said theists don't like. You are misunderstanding the context of an atheist comment
     
  7. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    Pleasure and pain, struggle and times of peace, joy and sorrow, etc. The diffrence between good and evil are obvious. We inherently understand the difference. The guiding system is effective. Thata life.
     
  8. Trailblazer

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    It says both. However, there are more instances of Merciful than of All-loving (see links below).

    All-loving
    Baha'i Reference Library: Search Results
    Baha'i Reference Library: Search Results
    Baha'i Reference Library: Search Results

    Merciful
    Baha'i Reference Library: Search Results

    Most Merciful
    Baha'i Reference Library: Search Results

    All-Merciful
    Baha'i Reference Library: Search Results
    According to the Bible, God makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good.

    Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    According to Abdu'l-Baha God loves everyone, including atheists and materialists.

    "How ignorant therefore the thought that God who created man, educated and nurtured him, surrounded him with all blessings, made the sun and all phenomenal existence for his benefit, bestowed upon him tenderness and kindness, and then did not love him. This is palpable ignorance, for no matter to what religion a man belongs even though he be an atheist or materialist nevertheless God nurtures him, bestows His kindness and sheds upon him His light."
    ('Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. 8, issue 7, p. 78)

    However, that does not mean all men are equal in the sight of God. According to Baha'u'llah, all men are not equal in the sight of God.

    “Let no one imagine that by Our assertion that all created things are the signs of the revelation of God is meant that—God forbid—all men, be they good or evil, pious or infidel, are equal in the sight of God.”
    Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 187

    I guess that depends upon which scriptures one consults.
     
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  9. Trailblazer

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    I not only understand that but I agree with it. It is not logical to attribute only the good to God and not the bad, if, as theists believe, God is responsible for everything.

    By the same token, it is not logical for atheists to attribute only the bad to the God they don't believe in, and disregard the good things that God has provided.
     
  10. firedragon

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    No it doesnt. Its wrong. Someone duped you.

    Yeah. God punishes a whole lot of people in the Bible. So it's not "All loving". Its a made up pretty apple polish TB. There is enough punishment in the Bible. So anyone could cherrypick verses.

    You asked about Islam. So I would say the Qur'an. Of course. In the Qur'an, God is most merciful, not "all loving". There is nothing like that in the Qur'an, or in Islamic theology. So the Bahai faith you follow personally is against Islam and the Qur'an.
     
  11. TransmutingSoul

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    I see you may have never asked.

    I would offer that the mythology behind Odin is most likely based on some knowledge of God. I especially see this is relevant to God.

    "He is known by hundreds of names"

    There is most likely a fair bit of truth to be found, yet men have mixed their own level of understanding into what were greater Truths.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I see you are very compassionate about finding fault and differences where none really exist between God's Messengers.

    That, to me, is a losing battle with one's own self.

    Regards Tony
     
  13. firedragon

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    Preaching unobjectively is not for me Tony. When a question is asked, I answer honestly. That's that. I don't appreciate rosy false pictures painted to proselytise your religion.
     
  14. ChristineM

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    Atheists DO NO BELIEVE A GOD DID ANYTHING because they DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS.

    What they (some) try to do is convince theists who misrepresent them that they are incorrect by comparing the conflicting claims of the theist.

    While some other atheist think, what is the point, just let theists play with their own beliefs and ignore the misrepresentation.
     
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  15. Trailblazer

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    The Baha'i Writings say what they say, which can be found on the links I provided.
    I do not believe that the OT represents anything God actually did. I believe it is anthropomorphism.

    That said, I never claimed that God does not punish anyone.
    Baha'u'llah says that God is terrible in punishing people who deserve it.

    “Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 346
    Okay, thanks for that clarification. I tend to think that God is the most merciful and have reservations about all-loving. However, my personal opinions are of no real import, as God is what God is.

    Just because the Qur'an does not say that God is all-loving, that does not mean that God is not all-loving. There is probably a reason why God was not described as all-loving in the Qur'an as perhaps that is not what humanity needed to hear at that time in history.
     
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    No they don't. Someone mislead you with false translations. I told you many times but you wish to not look at your own scripture honestly.
     
  17. rational experiences

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    I'm human. So are you.

    Pretty basic my natural life is first. Before any human theist spruiking a human opinion first.

    O earth natural.
    Heavens natural.

    Life with nature natural first.

    No stories allowed.

    Ponder that situation. The answers as you ponder says natural is good and supportive of your life.

    A part of just being human. Humans recognition.

    If I don't change anything.

    Therefore as medical terms religious brain entrainment had to introduce methods to try to cause a changed brain to become self aware again.

    It's all your meeting places were caused for.

    A greater success in human emotive feeling together as supportive family membership.

    The exact terms rituals. Chants. Sounds. Movements. Smells. Voice. Music. Meditations.

    To be with nature to relearn it's potents. Grow food. Tend herbs. Make remedies. Live mindfully and move through life mindfully of your self gain.

    A teaching only given after life attacked had to save itself. From human only self destructive personality disorder.

    Greed. Unnatural accumulated unnatural wealth. That the planet mass owned first.

    Good is natural.

    To preach about it means humans changed it.
     
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    You are on a path where logic and facts mean nothing. Where previous statements will be denied then down played then denied again. Where the simplest statement will be continually misinterpreted or misrepresented until you waste so much time and effort trying to explain it you forget why you even said it And when all else fails you will be accused of relentless attacks for not agreeing. Save yourself!
     
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  19. rational experiences

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    I'm born by human sex. Which human Satanists as scientists deny.

    My two human parents not my life could never ever be my owned personal one self life.

    Satanist scientist does not agree.

    That they are one species one. By two create procreate a creator self the human.

    They say Satan god chemical reactions did. Created a human. Title human subject human. Direct applied use of data by a human as human only information.

    The first two humans are in biology now dead decomposed and by chemistry decomposition heated just some microbes in water.

    The dead position.

    Satanists claim in thesis thought only from the dead about a living human...how they were first created.

    As just a human. Living human position only first.

    That position in nature says had been living as two humans who decomposed and died. Exact human advised science as data.

    No human came from that position. It's science of a living human only advised. Both living and deceased is a total medical science teaching.

    As humans only intelligence in natural life is using correct natural lawful human thought. The living. Why talking about the dead was outlawed.

    In scientific living human only thesis.

    Legal position in human life. Exact. Just as it was notified before after the fact of living life biology self sacrificed attacked by human scientists using machines.

    Exact relived human bad behaviour.
     
  20. CG Didymus

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    But there are "facts" and "logic"... sort of. Baha'is believe their prophet and religion is the absolute truth. What their religion teaches becomes fact. Whether there is a God or whether their prophet was sent by God doesn't need any proof other than the prophet's word saying those things are true. They become fact. Anything that goes against those "facts", logically, can't be true.

    It's almost the same arguments atheist have with born-again Christians. The Bible and the NT are their "facts". So, who wins when those Christians argue with Baha'is? Because they both think they are the ones that are right and have "The Truth", it is well worth the effort that all of the atheists have been asking then and arguing about... "If it's true... If there is a God... And if your prophet was sent by that God, then show us some objective, tangible proof and evidence." Of course, they can't. The Baha'is, the Christians or any other religion that believes it is the truth can only keep making the claim. But can't back it up with anything other than their faith and trust in their religion and beliefs are true.
     
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