Phantasman
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From my studies, the Pentecostal religions we see today started in the 1800s. Just another branch of orthodox thought delivered through the Bible being translated to English after it's long prison of catholic thought of being held hostage in Latin only for about 1000 years. During that time todays many religions didn't exist.
The Codex Sinaiticus (oldest Bible on record) does not contain these verses in Mark 16:
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
As the historic event of the Bible, I have seen many changes, added, taken away, rewordings of the Codex Vaticaus (catholic Bible held hostage). One just need to read of William Tyndale and John Wycliffe (original translators) of the Vaticanus) to see the lies and hypocrisy of the catholic ideology that existed since it's inception.
Christ told us not to trust the scribes, or the Pharisee's (priests). To me this moves on to the fathers of the many churches today as well.
To those who drank poisons to prove their faith are as ignorant as those who babble thinking they have something from God (the Father).
Even if Lukes version of Penticost was a representation of "tongues", it was 11 disciples speaking 16 or more different languages. The account was that the gospel was being heard by each man in his own tongue, telling me that the receivers of the gospel "understood" it, not by tongues, but by the Spirit (capital S) revealing it.
Acts 2:
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
One has to question that when Christ gave the Holy Spirit to man, did he/she speak in tongues?
John 20:
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
That is why the unredacted non Canon gospels that stood untouched by man for over 1600 years is so important to understanding what was in the times of Christ, and where men have taken Christ throughout the centuries.
Just my thoughts.
