gnostic said:Actually Ezzedan, you make it all sounds like Muslims men are weak-minded and weak-willed, if you can't control yourself, if a woman is exposing their forearms, calves and ankles.
I'm not saying Muslim Men.. I'm saying all men.. and yes, majority of men are weak... but not to such things as ankles and forearms... clevage and *** do a good job though.
gonstic said:Are you telling me if you see such women in the streets that you would rape her?
Who said anything about rape? If I was walking down the street and some girl walked past me with her breats bouncing and clevage showing like crazy, with tight jeans on and her stomache showing, along with whatever else she had going on... me and any other muslim/non muslim male friends wouldn't go and rape her, but we'd definately think disrespectful thoughts of her... It's how men are... but the fact that we could be in the middle of an intelligent discussion and that discussion would come to a screeching hault because of that girl is why it's a problem.. and why God asks women not to wear such things, and asks us not to look at such things. I dont understand what does not make sense to you?
gnostic said:Then it is you (as Muslim men in general) have a problem, not the women. No wonder why you need the women to cover up, because you (as in all Muslim men) are nothing but lechers and perverts at heart. Don't blame the women, blame yourself. If you can't walk through streets as adults then you should all wear blindfold so that you can't see any exposed flesh.
Well that was pretty ignorant of you. If you honestly think that men don't have disrespectful thoughts of women who dress in a way that's revealing than I have no reason to think that you don't live under a rock, and any man who tells you otherwise is a liar. It's not just muslim men my friend, it's all men... what's the percentage of of males who masturbate? 99%? Now it is something which is natural... but in todays society, women give us men plenty to think about... because they don't leave much for the imagination. You're twisting my words around to attackk muslim men now.. when I made it clear in my posts that I wasn't just talking about non-muslims... I was talking about everyone. Ask any girl who has been assosciated with me in the past and in the present, and I have been nothing but respectful to them and always protective of them... but in your eyes apparantly I'm a pervert.
gnostic said:You have made me realise that it is not Muslim women who have problem is Muslim men. So that's why you oppress them because your weaknesses, and even your Qur'an can't help to control your lust.
Well I guess both my brothers being virgins before marriage really shows the lust of muslim men... I guess my virginity at the age of 21 really shows the lust us muslim men have. God asks these things from us so that we don't experience this lust you talk about.Men aren't aloud to have sex before marriage in Islam just like women, and I'm willing to bet that if you grabbed 10 muslim men, atleast 7 of them will be virgins. I myself can find at least 20, all over the age of 21... so much for your horrible theory. Of course I'm attracted to women, of course I think they're beautiful... but to say that I have a problem with lust because I think it's a good idea for women to cover themselves shows me your ignorance. I'm here protecting women from the disrespect that men show them, and the horrible place they're in with society right now.. and you're calling me a pervert? Clearly you lack intelligence and have no idea what you're talking about. It's funny how you tried to turn that around on me. The fact that I stated how disgusting mardi gras was with the use of beads, and how disgusting it is at the bars (which I've stated in other posts that I do not go to ne more) and how women act, and how gross late night t.v is, and how gross the porn industry is, and how unfair it is to women that they're used as forms of eye candy to men all around the world at sporting events and other forms of entertainment makes me a pervert in your eyes is HILARIOUS. You my friend have just shown me that you agree with women wearing practically nothing and exposing themselves at the bars, and you agree with women making out at the bars with eachother to entertain all the guys, and you agree with the porn industry, and you agree with women being used as eye candy, and you agree with the whole beads situation at mardi gras, but hey... I'm the pervert here... so what do I know??
You go ahead gnostic... you go teach your daughter that it's alright to show her body and wear revelaing clothes... you tell her it's alright to have all the boys whisteling at her and thinking dirty thoughts of her, you go ahead and tell your daughter to go to the bars and make sure she is wearing something real skimpy otherwise she wont get any attention from the boys. May I ask you something gnostic? Go to a bar this weekend and tell me how many muslim men you find there groaping women and trying to get laid.... lol... I can't believe you tried to label me a pervert and a lustful person... you're more blind than Ray Charles.
I was stating the fact that God makes us men dress modestly too. I was stating the fact that God asks the women to dress modestly to not only help us men (muslim and non muslim) from looking at them in a disrespectful way, but to have respect for themselves also. Clearly you want men looking at your daughter sexually... so what I have to say means nothing right now. For you to say that men don't practice such things.... and that men don't think which such perverted minds because of the way weomen dress and present themselves... try working in a factory for a year and hearing some of things I've heard at that place. Go to the bars and chill with a large group of guys and tell me otherwise. You're insane if you think any differently.. and the fact that you're under the impression that I only know the perspecvtive of muslim men, again shows your stereotype and ignorance... throughout all of highschool the only muslim friends I had were my brothers and cousins... on a social level I hung out with non-muslims... I still stay close with them to this day, but I don't partake in the activities that they do anymore.... and I'm willing to give you their contacts to ask them WHY I don't chill with them anymore... hear what they have to say, and feel very very dumb for your comments.
I've been friends with a non-muslim girl for about six years now. In highschool she would date other boys and mess around with them.. and I saw the effects that sex had with a relationship and how it made things so difficult... she used to party hard, and when I used to party... we would party hard together.. she would wear revealing clothes on the nights that we would party... and although I had all the respect in the world for her I still had lustful thoughts when I saw her in those clothes, dancing the way she would dance... and no, it's not because I'm a pervert... it's because I'm a human being. Anyway... her and I never messed around but we both had the urge to. Once highschool came to an end we parted ways, but a year later we met up again.. the year that we were apart.. a lot changed... she had done a lot of things which she regretted, and I changed my partying ways. We talked, and talked, and talked.. and we have grown to love eachother. The fact that her and I never engaged in sexual acts is what has kept our bond so tight, and is what has made us love eachother so much. She has admitted to me that she feels a bond which she has never felt before, with any other person. She now no longer wants to go to the bar, and the fact that I haven't seen her body yet, and the fact that I haven't had any kind of lustful acts with her she has learned the importance of modesty. She doesn't wear the hijab, and she is far from a muslim... but she just no longer dresses the way she used to, or party the way she used to... and since she has stopped doing that... she has been happier than ever... she hasn't been disrespected by men... she hasn't had nights of drunkeness which have turned into regret, and she no longer looks at women on t.v and feels the pressure of looking the way they do... which is how she used to feel. You know why? Because she knows she has a man who loves her for the way she is, and although I would love to show affection with kisses and love making... I want to wait, and she now to wants to wait with me... I just introduced her to my parents not too long ago, and things went amazing... She has told me on many occasions, if things don't work between the two of us... she wont go back to her old ways because now she sees how disgusting, and disrespectful it was, not only to herself... but how disrespected she was by men.... Now may I ask a question? How did a pervert manage to pull that one off?
Ignorant... Ignorant..... Ignorant.
Ezz