Are marriage and romantic love un-communist?

[T-Dawg]

I've been thinking about love and marriage (when have I NOT been thinking of love and marriage? XD), and something occured to me: Isn't marriage sort of like having private property? Isn't marriage and dating all about taking one woman and keeping her for only yourself, as if you "owned" her?

And then I thought: If I somehow managed to obtain a woman, and I saw that a comrade had no woman of his own, and my woman was ok with reproducing with him, would it be morally right to deny him the right to pass on his genes simply because the woman is "my" woman?

What do you think? Can one be a communist yet still be ok with traditional marriage (or any marriage, for that matter)?

 

[Kerr]

It is not un-communistic. If I marry a girl I don´t own her.

And of course it would be morallity right to not be ok with that. I wouldn´t, and I expect any wife of mine would not be ok with it. It has nothing to do with ownership. Ownership cannot be applied to people, if we end up in a situation when one is "owned" by someone else then we are talking about slavery and slavery is plain evil. That my wife, if I had one, would be "my" woman is not about ownership but about the emotional connection... or something like that.

 

[sandandfoam]

Isn't marriage sort of like having private property? Isn't marriage and dating all about taking one woman and keeping her for only yourself, as if you "owned" her?

ROFL

I imagine for as long as you're thinking of girls as property you'll be spending more time chasing them than catching them :biglaugh:

 

[T-Dawg]

ROFL

I imagine for as long as you're thinking of girls as property you'll be spending more time chasing them than catching them :biglaugh:

Well, it's something that you have and no one else can touch or use. Sounds pretty similar to private property. And oftentimes a boy will call his girlfriend his "property" and will usually give her some kind of warning label (ie, a ring) so as to fend off other boys who might try and "steal" her.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Marriage is a partnership between equals. Neither owns the other.
Marriages were just as popular in Communist Russia as they were any where else.
It is simply a shared commitment.
Politics simply does not come into it.

The only people I know who shared their women were some Hells Angels.

 

[Kerr]

Well, it's something that you have and no one else can touch or use. Sounds pretty similar to private property. And oftentimes a boy will call his girlfriend his "property" and will usually give her some kind of warning label (ie, a ring) so as to fend off other boys who might try and "steal" her.

That is just words. What people say is not to be taken that literal. For example I used to call my ex for "mine", but I never thought of her as my property, even when I said "she belongs to me" (just as "I belong to her", it was not speaking of property but of emotional connection). As someone said above, relationships are a shared commitment, and if sleeping with another man does not work for you then she should not do it. Just as if it does not work for her you should not do it.

 

[Nanda]

As a woman, a feminist, and a polyandrist, I feel as though I should say something, but honestly, I don't even know where to begin.

 

[Nepenthe]

As a woman, a feminist, and a polyandrist, I feel as though I should say something, but honestly, I don't even know where to begin.

That was a pretty good start imo.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I've been thinking about love and marriage (when have I NOT been thinking of love and marriage? XD), and something occured to me: Isn't marriage sort of like having private property? Isn't marriage and dating all about taking one woman and keeping her for only yourself, as if you "owned" her?

And then I thought: If I somehow managed to obtain a woman, and I saw that a comrade had no woman of his own, and my woman was ok with reproducing with him, would it be morally right to deny him the right to pass on his genes simply because the woman is "my" woman?

What do you think? Can one be a communist yet still be ok with traditional marriage (or any marriage, for that matter)?

Actually, this does a pretty good job at explaining what's wrong with communism.

 

[misanthropic_clown]

Well, it's something that you have and no one else can touch or use. Sounds pretty similar to private property. And oftentimes a boy will call his girlfriend his "property" and will usually give her some kind of warning label (ie, a ring) so as to fend off other boys who might try and "steal" her.

I still think the concept of ownership is a little off. Or a lot off.

Marriage (at least, modernly) doesn't imply that you own your partner. I guess the difference between mutual exclusivity and ownership is quite a subtle one at face value, but the predominate difference would be that either parter is able to terminate the marriage. If I literally owned someone, they would not be able to terminate that ownership.

I guess your point about not sharing partners being in defiance of communism holds if the breed of communism at hand considers individuals to be property of the state - but then by that standard both a man and a woman would have to be open to fulfilling anybody else's relationship needs.

 

[Kerr]

Actually, this does a pretty good job at explaining what's wrong with communism.

I have grown up in a family with very strong ties to socialism and communism, yet none of my family members every said anything like that.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I have grown up in a family with very strong ties to socialism and communism, yet none of my family members every said anything like that.

Nor did I say that the subject of the post was literally the problem.

 

[Kerr]

Nor did I say that the subject of the post was literally the problem.

Ok. Honestly, though, I don´t care what you think of communism, I just don´t think this is a matter of communism rather then a matter of interpretation. And besides, I don´t want to turn this into a political debate, lol.

 

[T-Dawg]

Actually, this does a pretty good job at explaining what's wrong with communism.

Er, no it doesn't? I explained why the marriage/dating institution might be viewed as immoral from a communist perspective. The only way this could be perceived as explaining what's wrong with communism is if one advocated marriage/dating without question, as if it was some sort of dogma.

I have grown up in a family with very strong ties to socialism and communism

Wow, lucky you... I have to put up with a conservative republican family .

Nor did I say that the subject of the post was literally the problem.

Er, wait, what? You're confusing me now .

 

[Sunstone]

Love is subversive of all political systems.

 

[Kerr]

Er, no it doesn't? I explained why the marriage/dating institution might be viewed as immoral from a communist perspective. The only way this could be perceived as explaining what's wrong with communism is if one advocated marriage/dating without question, as if it was some sort of dogma.

Which is based on that marriage or dating institutions regard that one person actually owns his or her partner, which is not the case. If that was the case, then you wouldn´t have to be a communist to be against it, because that would be slavery.

Wow, lucky you... I have to put up with a conservative republican family .

Ouch, I can see how that can get strained.

 

[Smoke]

Isn't marriage sort of like having private property?

In traditional societies, marriage was/is exactly like having private property. A marriage that's a free association of and covenant between equals is quite different.

And then I thought: If I somehow managed to obtain a woman, and I saw that a comrade had no woman of his own, and my woman was ok with reproducing with him, would it be morally right to deny him the right to pass on his genes simply because the woman is "my" woman?

What makes you think that would be up to you?

 

[Smoke]

As a woman, a feminist, and a polyandrist, I feel as though I should say something, but honestly, I don't even know where to begin.

Yeah, I know. And I'm not even a woman or a polyandrist.

 

[Smoke]

Wow, lucky you... I have to put up with a conservative republican family .

I didn't know there were any of those left. I have to put up with a bunch of FakeNews-watching, Glenn Beck-parroting, Sean Hannity-loving, Sarah Palin-worshiping nutbags.

 

[blackout]

And what if I'm lonely? And I think your wife is hot?
And I have warm feelings for her?

If I do not have a woman of my own,
What right do you have, not to share her love with me?

If I'm without love? What right do you have to keep her love all for yourself?