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Featured Are Homosexuals going to Hell?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Grumpuss, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. Grumpuss

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    As many homosexual men and women, as well as those who are transsexual, bisexual, have relations with animals and plants, it is entirely possible, even likely that many of them maintain a personal belief in God. They may even form a devout connection to their divine gods, though it may not necessarily involve the same acceptance or repugnance you feel at learning of such lifestyles.

    How one conducts himself/herself in life would therefore follow some kind of path to salvation, whether it be an Abrahamic God, Hindu pantheon, Buddhist spirit, etc. It would follow for those believers who are not living gods, that the rules were designed by others and we can not rewrite them to suit our own subject experience of judgment of ourselves. Being good and chaste and procreating as we are told the god(s) of our faith want can and will clash against what many consider to be impure, disgusting, abominable and a sin against nature. While we hope and expect we have kind and merciless deities to at least partially absolve us when mental derangement is a mitigating factor, what is the effect upon our immortal souls and/or spiritual afterlife when we consciously make deviant choices that are offensive to the faiths?

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    Please know that what one religion may consider foul and sin-worthy can be quite different than what another may consider tolerable. I am not looking for any rants explaining why one religion's worldview is superior to all others, or how unreasonable or immoral you may personally consider the habits of heathens to be. It's always complicated. Myself, I believe this is a question left up to God to judge who shall be rewarded with bliss and who is damned. To pass judgment on others for what happens in the afterlife, is to speak for God, and is a sin. But we can of course keep asking questions and try to live well, free from chaos.

    Is it a sin to deny the sexual act that perpetuates the species, and instead live a life where sexual hedonism is openly embraced for pure enjoyment? And to what extent are the machinations of demons (if you believe in their influence) to be blamed or mitigated against?
     
  2. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    No.

    Next question.
     
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    ^^^^ This ^^^^
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    God's good with all that, heck he's the dude who raped another man's 13 year old wife and had his own son put to death. I'd say anything goes with the Almighty!
     
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    and Chevrolet exhaust pipes.

    As Christians often tell it, it's okay to be a homosexual as long as one doesn't do homosexual stuff. Although I believe it's okay for married heterosexuals to do homosexual stuff.

    Or live a life of celibacy and deny the sexual act that perpetuates the species? A lot of Christians think not.

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  6. JayaBholenath

    JayaBholenath Resident Nagini

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    First of all : gay/trans/bisexual/whatever people don't all live carefree and hedonistic lifestyle. Few do many don't. Not different than any heterowhatever person.

    Second: my God does not care what I do in my privacy and with who. My religion don't care either. So why should I ?

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  7. A Vestigial Mote

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    First there would need to be a hell. As far as I have seen/heard/read there is absolutely no good reason to believe such a place exists.

    And second it would need to be objectively wrong - or at least be wrong in some authority's eyes who was able to punish this supposed "wrong" en masse. I don't believe in such authority. Nor do I believe that homosexuality is "wrong" in any meaningful sense... certainly not objectively.
     
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  8. Skwim

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    C'mon, You're not playing the game. :mad:

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  9. Fool

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    NO, because the first gods, elohim, were hermaphrodites and they had same sex relations.

    So God created man(plural like mankind) in his own image(singular), in the image(singular) of God(plural) created he him(singular); male and female(singular) created he them(plural).

    he didn't create them male or female at first. then........

    When he separated eve from adam; then came the opposite sex relations; which is heterosexuality.
     
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  10. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Quite possibly.

    Many of them are, for lack of a better word, rather saintly and therefore best qualified to dive into Hell and teach the lost souls in there how to achieve their salvation.
     
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    If He doesn't like homosexuals, why does He create so many of them?:shrug:
     
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  12. A Vestigial Mote

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    Is this the game where we all pretend that homosexual men and women, transsexuals and bisexuals have "relations" with plants? Sure sounds like a statement that was come to by a roll of the dice...
     
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  13. Skwim

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    I assume all of this is found in the OT in the book of Grimm (as in the Brothers Grimm), chapter something-or-other. Care to share the particulars?

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  14. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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  15. Skwim

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    Nah, just the game where we provisionally accept certain Christian claims in order to keep the ball rolling.

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  16. Unveiled Artist

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    No. Homosexuals will not go to hell.
     
  17. A Vestigial Mote

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    I gotcha. It may take a little brain rewiring, but I believe I can muster some "good sportsmanship" on this front. Though I have to admit, I will likely never be MVP.
     
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    He didn't create them. They chose to be homosexual. Don't you remember when you were asked what you wanted to be: heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, demisexual, gynesexual, intersexual, metrosexual, pansexual, or asexual? I think the application is still handed out around the age of 10; most likely in the fifth grade.

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    I wonder what god thinks of those who are aren't really certain themselves and unsure and needing to try different things out?
    And it makes me wonder, who would god find more repulsive? An LBGT person who renounces Christianity over the way they were treated in the church, or the Christians who inflicted such torment (even though, hypothetically, they have repented of all sins). Does god ever say sorry to such people who were turned away?

    Me having major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, OCD-tendencies, have Asperger's, and sleeping tends to be a bit difficult for me, so it's kind of a checkmate against thinking my life is carefree hedonism. And that's before I add in things like "unemployed." And ultimately I find hedonism foolish and ultimately a futile pursuit anyways.
     
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  20. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    It all comes from hanging out with gay animals, birds and insects. Parents just did not do their job keeping the kids away from gay ducks and such.
     
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