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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by savagewind, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. blü 2

    blü 2 Well-Known Member
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    Because I've read the story. Why should I not comment?
     
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    There's no sign of the Kingdom anywhere.

    Or else, as you'll have to admit, it's an utterly shambolic administration.

    Trump heads the US, for example.
     
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    Again, you have not understood what you have read.

    Luke 17
    20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”


    The kingdom of God is the Spirit of God, which resides in each believer. Indeed, when you speak with a true believer on here, you have made contact with the kingdom of God and the kingdom of God has come directly to you.
     
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    Because you do not understand and cannot fully understand the word of God if you deny it.
     
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    You will never reach that group, ever. (Actually, to me: who cares!)

    Just for fun, do you think all good people go to heaven? What and where is God's kingdom going to be?
    Did you know that in heaven, neither do they marry, nor do they eat? Most people would not really want that kind of existence.
    I Corinthians 6:13: Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall bring to nought both it and them.
    Matthew 22:30: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven. ​


     
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    I appreciate your post. Thanks ─ as a result I now know that we were both right, and that 'the kingdom of God' has two meanings.

    A quick search turns up 65 NT verses containing the phrase 'the kingdom of God'.

    The first meaning (let's say) is the one you suggest, that it's equivalent to the presently-living faithful, the church. I find nine NT verses which support that ─ Mark 4:26, 10:15, Matthew 12.28, Luke 10:9, 10:11, 11:20, 17:20, 17:21, Romans 14:17.

    The second meaning sees the kingdom of God as a future thing, some verses meaning on earth (which is what I had in mind), others possibly in Heaven. I find nineteen NT verses which support that ─ Mark 1:15, 9:1, 9:47, 10:23, 10:24, 14:25, Matthew 21:31, Luke 7:28, 9:27, 13:28, 21:31, 22:16. 22:18, Acts 14:22, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 6:10, 15:50, Galatians 5:21, 2 Thessalonians 1:5. and perhaps one other, Acts 1:2.

    A further 36 verses that mention the kingdom of God could mean either.

    Good to clear these things up.
     
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    I have the words in a respected translation. They have a meaning and in one sense or the other an historical context. That's all I need.
     
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    Opinion noted and rejected. You don't understand what you're reading - your own bias clouds your judgement - heavily.
     
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    Well, if you think what you're reading is trash, why do you even bother?
     
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    What bias is that?
     
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    So you're not interested in what the bible actually says?

    You know what it ought to say, so the real words are irrelevant?

    Understood.
     
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    Nobody knows what real words were made aware of and written.
     
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    It is my opinion that people who further the expectation that the Bible as is has to be the thoughts of God are doing the World a disservice because people like the men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses use that to control the people who join themselves to them.
     
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    Children are more likely to ask questions than adults are. Jesus said you must become as a child to enter
    the Kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit knows and remembers. Might the Bible be for the purpose of causing
    questions?

    Who knows the answers? You all are going to the Bible for answers and some of you are obeying them.
    But, maybe it is for going to The Holy Spirit.
     
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    Christianity nonetheless claims to be based on the canonical NT text.

    Even if some enormous percentage of them never concern themselves with reading it.
     
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    The World has made the Bible into something which answers questions.
    Maybe its intent is for asking questions.
     
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    It is why I do not advertise that I am a Christian.
     
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    Have you chosen to separate from the JWs?
     
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    Yes, I did. I am not going to tell them though. Why not? It is THEIR rule to publically separate.
    When I was a Jehovah's Witness I did not adopt everything they taught to believe in it.
    It was difficult for me to preach the JW way, but to be a JW a person must preach so I only repeated the things that I trusted were right. Twenty years of it! I have earned my way. LOL
     
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    The Jehovah's Witness believe in waiting on Jehovah to make things right and I did that.
    I left for good when a JW elder told me that we are to put our trust in the governing body.
    I couldn't believe it! I mean, really. The Bible makes it very clear that we are NOT to do that.
     
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