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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by savagewind, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. savagewind

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    Are you saying Israel is still a physical condition? Not spiritual? Galatians 3:28
     
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    Yes, Israel is physical, We are all one in Christ Jesus.
    I am Caucasian which is the White Race.
    If you are of the White Race you could be very well of one of the tribes of Israel that went over the Caucasus Mountains. To Settle in the European Countries.
    Leaving behind the tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah. Which are there to this very day over in Israel. Israel and Judah.

    Look in the book of Revelation Chapter 7 here you find the tribes and names of each tribe, I am of the tribe of Aser, which came to settle in America.
    Is it any wonder as to why Britain it's self became a great nation at one time and the United States being a great powerful nation. Had it not been United States being one of the tribes of Israel. God said to Abraham that out Abraham would come great Nations.
    God made Promise to father Abraham and God fulfilled His Promise to Abraham.by making the United States a Great and powerful Nation on Earth.
     
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    Can you clarify, please?
    You say, "we are all one" but then it appears to me that you are assuming whiteness in Christ.
    Am I reading you right?
     
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    No, it doesn't matter what race you are, those who believe in God, are Christ Jesus.
    Whether they be Jews or Gentiles.

    The Gentiles are crafted into Israel. As being all in one.
    Read Romans Chapter 11 Paul explains all this. As Paul has written God never cast away his people Israel. But God reserved to himself seven thousand that would not bow the knee to the image of Baal. This being Satan, for we have only one God that deserves our worship.
     
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    I was just reading something along these lines the other day in Ephesians, I believe.
     
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    Yes Paul wrote many things in each books in the New Testament. That talks about these things. Look Paul himself is of the tribe of Benjamin of Israel.
     
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    The Jews are no longer held by their linage. A Jew can become a Christian just as a gentile can. In spirit there is no Jew and Gentile, male and female. That's the ways of flesh,not spirit. But you cannot have both, that's the point (of the sword).

    Christians are one body. Not divided by the things of flesh, like Jews and Gentiles. We are one in Spirit.
    1 Corinth:
    12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
    13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
    14 For the body is not one member, but many.

    There is no Jewish Christian. You are one or the other. Not both.Christ was of Jew in flesh. But he said the "flesh profits nothing".

    Galatians:
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Yet the patriarch Jews and catholic church see's a difference between male and female. I do not. We are all the same in spirit. Even black and white. It is through (spiritual) ignorance that chaos reigns.

    Think on it.
     
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    Who do you think those first Christians were, if not Jews of Israel.

    They were first called ( The Way ) Then later they became to be known as Christians.

    I guess you haven't read or Study the book of Acts. It's all there, If it's not to much for you study up, before you go about saying things, That the Bible, Scriptures will prove you wrong.

    While Christ Jesus was here on earth, those who followed Jesus we're all Jews of Israel.
    Remember Jesus did say that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Therefore those first followers of Jesus were all Jews of Israel.
    Which became to be known as ( The Way)
    Then later became to be known as Christians.
    Acts 24:14--"But this I confess unto you, That after, The way ,which they call heresy"
    These being Jews of Israel those that followed Jesus called themselves The Way

    Acts 11:26--"And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch"

    Therefore the disciples were called Christians. Those disciples were Jews of Israel, Paul himself was of the tribe of Benjamin of Israel and Christian.
    Matthew is a Jew of Israel. Luke a Jew of Israel. Mark a Jew of Israel. James a Jew of Israel all being Christians.

    The town of Antioch was just outside of Jerusalem which were of Jews of Israel and being the first to be called Christians.
     
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    Three Watchtowers a year?



    I don't understand. There used to be twenty-four. Am I doing the math wrong?
     
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    I don't think as you do and tried hard to explain it, yet you do not get it.

    Jews are Jews by flesh. Flesh. Flesh. They are born Jews.

    Christians are Christians by spirit. Spirit. SPIRIT. The body dies, The soul is saved by the spirit.

    Harlots can be more important than Jews.

    Matthew 21:
    31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
    32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

    Jews are nothing. They get no special get out of jail free card just because they are Jews. The Jewish Priests killed Christ. The Jews stoned Stephen. They hated Paul and killed most of the disciples in hideous ways. They had their chance FIRST. By 70AD at the Council of Jerusalem, the Jews denied Jesus as Messiah and their belief continues today.

    Many Jews became Christians. That is what the water baptism entails. The killing of the flesh to seek out the spirit. Born of the spirit. "Born again". Just as circumcision has nothing to do with being Christian, except for the spiritual meaning, not the flesh.

    You are blinded by the god of the flesh. Get away from it.

    Romans:
    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    1 Corinth:
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    Are you a Jew? If not, do you want to be a Jew? Then learn Judaism.

    Jesus said:
    John 10:
    7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

    8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

    He said "all". Not "some" or "many".
     
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    First of all, someone needs to show where the Bible says anyone other than Jesus, is, was or ever will be in Heaven. The Bible promises Gods' kingdom, which will be on earth. "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH." HTe Bible says "no man has ascended into Heaven."
     
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    1 Thessalonians 4:17
    After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
    1 Thessalonians 5:10
    He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him.
    Revelation 11:12
    And the witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them.
    Revelation 19:11
    Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war.
    Revelation 19:14
    The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.
     
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    Was Jesus a man?
     
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    You still don't get it yourself.

    There are those Jews in Israel which are not the True Jews of Israel.

    You look at Jews as all one and the same.
    Which they are not.

    Paul had written in Romans 11:2--"God has not cast away his people which foreknew"

    The scribes and Pharisees were not true Jews nor were they of Israel.
    Those Jews which went against Jesus to have him crucified nailed to the cross were not true Jews nor real Jews of Israel.

    Don't you get it, That Jesus even pointed them out in Revelation 2:9--"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, But are the synagogue of Satan"

    Why can't you see, that not all Jews are True Jews of Israel.

    The false Jews are the children of Satan.

    The True Jews of Israel are the children of God.

    God will always keep to himself a remnant of Israel.
    All the disciples were true Jews of Israel, that's why Jesus called them to follow him.

    Even Paul is a Jews of Israel of the Tribe of Benjamin Romans 11:1--"I say then, has God cast away his people, God forbid, For I also am an Israelite, of the tribe of Benjamin"
    Therefore Paul himself is of Israel of the Tribe of Benjamin.
     
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    Who do you suppose Jesus was speaking to in John 10:7-9. Jesus was speaking to the Jews of Israel.
    For the Gospel had not went to the Gentiles until the conversion of Paul in
    Acts Chapter 9.

    Verse 15--"but the Lord said unto him, Go your way, for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel"
    Notice that Paul was also to take the Gospel to Israel also and not just to the Gentiles.

    Therefore the Gospel had not gone to the Gentiles until the conversion of Paul.

    Notice in Mark 13:6--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and deceive many"

    What people in the world comes by the name of Christ ? Christians.

    Note that Christ is abbreviated for Christian.
    Christ = Christian.

    Therefore many shall come in the name of Christ = Christians and shall deceive many.
     
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    If Jesus said that the kingdom is within us (and around us), Luke 17:21, yet he said he "goes" to prepare a place for us, John 14:2, I don't see heaven as being on Earth.

    Gnosis teaches of the infinities. This universe is dying from day one (decay). Along with the Earth.

    Spirit does not die, and is within the Aeon that has no death (decay) as well.

    The kingdom is where the will of God (the Father) exists and what we seek. The Universe is physical where another (god) exists (as well), the devil. The devil owns the Earth and the world.

    The kingdom is made up of many heavens (infinities) hence Paul saying:

    I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth .. such an one caught up to the third heaven.- 2 Corinthians.

    Gnosis teaches even more than that, hence the "many" mansions Jesus spoke in parable.
     
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    Jesus taught all, not just the Jews. (the same message). When the Jews saw Jesus with the Gentiles, they scolded him:

    Mark:
    15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
    16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
    17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    Your comment on the Gentiles not being taught until Paul holds no merit. Jesus sent out seventy to teach as well.

    When you understand who the publicans and sinners were, you'll see that these weren't Jews. The word gentile just means anyone who is not a Jew.
     
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    You keep speaking of past things that have no importance. See the risen rather than the flesh. And move on. My debating has moved into the spiritual truth created by the events, not the confusion of the events themselves. I don't follow how the spirit got here as much as what it is revealing "since" it got here.

    Stay with the flesh if you wish, I'm moving on to spiritual things.
     
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    Christ Jesus said that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. This does not include Gentiles.

    You take those publicans and sinners as being Gentiles. You got to be kidding.

    Those publicans were tax collectors like Matthew was a publican who collected taxs from the people.

    Matthew was a Jew of Israel.

    Strong's Concordance of the Greek translation, 5057 -- Publican collector of public revenue - Publican.

    Therefore those Publicans were Jews the same as Matthew is a Jew of Israel.

    As to where do you get a Publican as being a Gentile.
     
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