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An Ex-Muslim Woman's story

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We found out later one of the Nazis was a convert to Islam and so therefore he was looking for allies against "Jews, gays and liberals". It takes a certain mentality to be a Muslim, and that mentality is the same one required to be a Nazi. One of being inherently cruel, hateful, and uncomproming towards the "other". A mentality deeply rooted in a corrupted desire to dominate others with force and the willingness to destroy anything else. Both Islam and Fascism are inherently flawed. Both are intolerant, and contrary to every tenet of human progress.
 

astarath

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I will not go so far as to say Islam and Nazi are the same however Islam does carry anger, hatred, and fear as core tenets.
 

TJ73

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ppɐʇɹnɯ;2333477 said:
They were actually "bad" Muslims as it says to kill infidels. It is part of the commandments of Islam to massacre non-Muslims. So that is why they attacked you.

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And kill them [quickly] wherever you catch them" - Quran 2:190

I for my part have suffered verbal and physical abuse from people I used to know, even worse than most, as I am an ex-Muslim.
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I am convinced of your sincerity about the abuse from your former friends.
But I am not about your honesty in conveying the long portion of the Quran about killing infidels. Certainly you or one of the horrible people you have both described would take just those words " and kill them..." but it is very easy to find the whole text and understand we are not in that time in that battle. We could also look at the whole thing and realize in the US and in England Muslims are not being persecuted to the point they may not practice their faith.
 

astarath

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No but we could look at Saudi Arabia, Maldives or any other Islamic state under Sharia rule and find Christians that are being persecuted to the point where their lives become forfeit not just that they cant practice their faith.
 

TJ73

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This is what I was talking about in my overly long post... You say it takes a certain ( and terrible) mentality to be Muslim. If someone were to take your word they would be unfairly biased toward me and the Muslims of my family and friends.
 

astarath

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No my claim is that while Muslims may not practice Islam fully at it's core there is anger, hatred and death.

The opposite is true of Christianity, those who dont practice it fully show anger hatred and death but those who adhere to the core show the fruits of the spirit. Peace, joy, hope and love. But the greatest of these is LOVE>
 
astarath is right. I have read the whole Quran and there is NOTHING about tolerance or love in there at all. Nothing can be interpreted as a call to be peaceful, kind or truthful. Quite the contrary, it emphasizes hate, revenge, and deception. The interesting thing that christianity deserves credit for is some things Jesus said could be interpreted as supporting Socialism. There is no such verse in the Quran that can be interpreted as anything but extremist or reactionary.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/members/astarath-9325.html
 

TJ73

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No my claim is that while Muslims may not practice Islam fully at it's core there is anger, hatred and death.

The opposite is true of Christianity, those who dont practice it fully show anger hatred and death but those who adhere to the core show the fruits of the spirit. Peace, joy, hope and love. But the greatest of these is LOVE>

I will assert that the core of Islam is good manner , even in desperate situations and the Great mercy and forgivness of our Creator. I think Muslims that fully embrace it will find restraint in the most inflammatory situations and guidance to deal fairly in family and community.
 
I will assert that the core of Islam is good manner , even in desperate situations and the Great mercy and forgivness of our Creator. I think Muslims that fully embrace it will find restraint in the most inflammatory situations and guidance to deal fairly in family and community.
You can assert it, but can you PROVE it?
 

TJ73

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ppɐʇɹnɯ;2333523 said:
You can assert it, but can you PROVE it?

Just as easily as you can prove your position. But to what avail ? You've been through a lot. i hope you encounter better people in the future. And I don't think you strongly dislike others besides Muslims, and I don't encourage you to do so, but it is just like what I said in the long post.
This conversation is very disturbing to me. I don't think I have the mental fortitude to continue any more so don't think I am ignoring you. If you still want to talk to me I can always respond tomorrow. you Both have a good night.
 

Badran

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ppɐʇɹnɯ;2333486 said:
It takes a certain mentality to be a Muslim, and that mentality is the same one required to be a Nazi. One of being inherently cruel, hateful, and uncomproming towards the "other". A mentality deeply rooted in a corrupted desire to dominate others with force and the willingness to destroy anything else. Both Islam and Fascism are inherently flawed. Both are intolerant, and contrary to every tenet of human progress.

You know, posting supposed stories and relying on the authenticity of your supposed ex-Muslim status aren't going to make it, at some point you have to actually make an argument. If you already made one, i apologize and please be so kind as to refer me to it. If you haven't, do you have any?
 

croak

Trickster
ppɐʇɹnɯ;2332877 said:
Of course it is normal in Arab culture to lie and cheat, so we never received the money.
Hm, I'm an Arab, and I never knew that was normal. Guess you learn something new every day.


To be frank, I read the e-mail and it just seemed to get more and more unrealistic. Hyperborean made a good point about the diesel exhaust, which you rejected by bringing up the Nazi death camps. I am quite sure that the Nazis would have made sure those chambers were airtight and wouldn't mind leaving the people inside as long as it took for them to die. Not to mention they were tight spaces with many people. I wouldn't be surprised if people died from lack of oxygen as well as carbon monoxide poisoning. But an entire barn? Maybe a horse stable... but what did they do with all the horses?

Also, I'm assuming they meant the Mercedes Benz was driven through the desert on a road, because those cars would never be able to drive on sand. In Saudi Arabia, American SUVs seem to be one of the vehicles of choice (at least judging by all those commercials I've seen).

Also, why would she ask a maniac for a divorce? I would have sought refuge at a police station, an embassy.... Also, it is implied she told him she was lesbian. Seriously? Knowing your husband's a nutcase, that's probably a pretty bad idea.

As one of the richest countries in the world, I doubt the police need new cars and renovations.

I'm also surprised that Neo-Nazis would associate with this Muslim.

Also, how high was this electric fence? How was it powered?

On drinking blood... I could imagine drinking urine if there were no sources of water, but blood? Can drinking your own blood reclaim you from dying from thirst or starvation?

Probably my biggest question: how on Earth did she, with no money, get to the Dutch border? The Netherlands don't even border Switzerland; she'd have to go through France or Germany. Not to mention obstacles like say, the Alps, if she were going to Germany. And then AFTER she gets to the Netherlands, she goes to France? Nonono. And to the American embassy? Why that embassy, of all possible embassies? And why would the United States accept her considering she could apply to live in the EU?

Proposition 8 was passed in 2008. Why does she mention 2008 afterwards? Then again, this doesn't really matter.

Also, mentioning shariah... considering she'd been living in Switzerland pretty much directly after her husband murdered her family, and there's no shariah there....

I could probably find more if I went back through it, but yeah, I'm pretty darn sure this isn't real.


And, most importantly, I want to thank TJ73 for continuing to reply even though it was clearly a losing battle and no one cared to truly take in what she had to say. I found her story to be truly moving, and I find her to be a great example of a Muslim.

Of course, Islam is evil and the cause of all misery in this world and yadda yadda yadda.
 

Bismillah

Submit
Hm, I'm an Arab, and I never knew that was normal. Guess you learn something new every day.
Don't worry I'm sure it's some stormfront member perpetuating his racist stereotypes on Arabs.
 

astarath

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Agreed. This topic has drifted far from where it was when it started. I need to state that while I am in the stance that violence, anger, hatred and death are core to Islam I do not say the same for Arab or Persian culture. I have many Christian friends in Palestine and Lebanon and they do not meet that understanding of what an Arab is.
 

croak

Trickster
Agreed. This topic has drifted far from where it was when it started. I need to state that while I am in the stance that violence, anger, hatred and death are core to Islam I do not say the same for Arab or Persian culture. I have many Christian friends in Palestine and Lebanon and they do not meet that understanding of what an Arab is.
I have Muslim and Christian Arab friends and relatives. They don't meet that understanding, either. All right, there are bad apples among my relatives, but then again, there are amongst everyone's relatives. So much for 'violence, anger, hatred and death' being 'core to Islam'.
 

xkatz

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All right, there are bad apples among my relatives, but then again, there are amongst everyone's relatives.

Such as:

 

croak

Trickster
Such as:

Those are my very distant, non-Arab relatives I know little about. :p I was thinking more of Hooded Crows and Brown-necked Ravens. ;)
 
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