Ruh
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True that . It is okay not to know Arabic . You should only be proud to know the core language of your own scripture , that's what you need and what else ?
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Terry Sampson
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Ruh
Member
It was just an inherent system of GOD to send prophets in different tribes..
Searching4God
Big Trev
Ruh
Member
Handy thought indeed
Ruh
Member
A typical you
Tumah
Veteran Member
If you're interested here's a part of the تفسير التوراة بالعربية . It was written in the 9th century by سعيد بن يوسف الفيومي in Judeo-Arabic - that's a type of Arabic that uses Hebrew letters. Someone's been working on transliterating it to the Arabic alphabet. Anyway, you can see that Arabic speaking Jews have been using All-h for a very long time.
Terry Sampson
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Ruh
Member
Not at all . You feel very cosy and warm still .
ALLAH-u-Akbar.
Ruh
Member
True unless human and time manipulated that .
Ruh
Member
Great resource . Will go through it .
It seems to me that people who claim that "the devil manipulated Muhammad" are the last people to mock the views of others as laughable.
Terry Sampson
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That's a bold thought.
Personally, I subscribe to a theory of revelation and theology described by Conservative Jew, Benjamin D. Sommer (Professor of Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages, The Jewish Theological Seminary, New York). In Sommer's book, Revelation and Authority (2015), he proposes using
- "the terms “participatory theory of revelation” and “participatory theology” to speak of approaches to revelation that view the Pentateuch (and Jewish tradition generally) as the result of a dialogue between God and Israel. According to the participatory theology, the Pentateuch not only conveys God’s will but also reflects Israel’s interpretation of and response to that will. This view of revelation puts a premium on human agency and gives witness to the grandeur of a God who accomplishes a providential task through the free will of human subjects under God’s authority. We may contrast participatory theologies with a better-known view of revelation, which [Sommer terms] “the stenographic theory of revelation.” According to the latter theory, God dictated all the words of the Pentateuch to Moses, and Moses recorded God’s words without altering them. In the stenographic theory, all the words of the Pentateuch are God’s. In the participatory theory, the wording in the Pentateuch is a joint effort involving heavenly and earthly contributions; or the wording may be an entirely human response to God’s real but nonverbal revelation. Especially in the second chapter of this book, I argue that the Pentateuch itself gives voice to both stenographic and participatory theologies of revelation." (Page 2)
The question is: is your view of the Qur'an as flexible as my view of the traditional Hebrew and Christian scriptures?
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exchemist
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That poses something of a problem, as that core language is Greek. I can read Greek script but only remember a few words of it. I can do better in Latin, into which the Greek was translated, but I would struggle to read scripture in Latin. In practice we rely on translations into our own languages. And there are many translations, each a bit different, so it pays to have access to more than one, in order to check for variations in interpretation.
When I lived in Dubai, in the 1980s, I sometimes used to watch a TV series devoted to explaining the Koran in English to non-muslims. The fascinating thing to me was that I found listening to the speaker reciting verses in Arabic was quite hypnotic, even though I did not understand the words. I became convinced that the Koran is a kind of poetry and needs to be appreciated in its own language. Do you think there is any truth in that?
(The attempts made to translate it and explain always seemed rather vague and unsatisfactory, unfortunately. I suspect a lot was lost in the translation.)
Why would the devil manipulate people into worshipping one God and insisting on his unity? What an utterly stupid claim!
Talk about Satan casting out Satan lol.
Actually, what they have said (although someone may have said it the way you said it) its that the Allah of the Koran is not the same God of the Bible... (although those of the Tannakh would probably say the same thing to the Christians)
HOWEVER, certainly the Allah of the Koran is definitely different from both Christians and Jews IMU.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Ooh, that's going to be a bit of stretch for me, I'm afraid.