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Afghanistan's president flees the country as Taliban moves to take Kabul

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Here's a good example of stupidity in my opinion.

Restaurant " we only allows vaccinated people to enter"
Bill "here's my negative covid test from 20 minutes ago"
Restaurant I don't care! No vaccine no entry!
Bill "ok and starts walking away but hears....
Bob "I'm vaccinated but I don't know if I have covid or not"
Restaurant "It's of no matter. You are vaccinated so come on in"

Stupidity in my opinion!
This doesn't appear to address my post at all.
Oh, well....
As an employer, especially one who's worked in a restaurant,
I see the need for a simple policy that could be handled by
the kind of employee who'd take that job.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Some people need to stay home and stay bubbled wrapped because reality will happen and they will still die.
Your recurring theme appears to be that no
precautions against death or injury are worth
taking because they might fail....or that it's
wrong to take them because it indicates fear.

I wonder....
Do you take any of these precautions.....
- Verifying a firearm is unloaded before cleaning or gunsmithing?
- Driving safely.
- Having smoke detectors in your home.
- Replacing tires when bald.
- Guarding passwords to things like ebay.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
This doesn't appear to address my post at all.
Oh, well....
As an employer, especially one who's worked in a restaurant,
I see the need for a simple policy that could be handled by
the kind of employee who'd take that job.

Are you saying if you owned a restaurant with a vaccine only policy you would let a person in that showed you a negative test that he has gotten right before he got there?
See below.

Restaurant " we only allows vaccinated people to enter"
Bill "here's my negative covid test from 20 minutes ago"
Restaurant I don't care! No vaccine no entry!
Bill "ok and starts walking away but hears....
Bob "I'm vaccinated but I don't know if I have covid or not"
Restaurant "It's of no matter. You are vaccinated so come on in"
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Are you saying if you owned a restaurant with a vaccine only policy you would let a person in that showed you a negative test that he has gotten right before he got there?
See below.

Restaurant " we only allows vaccinated people to enter"
Bill "here's my negative covid test from 20 minutes ago"
Restaurant I don't care! No vaccine no entry!
Bill "ok and starts walking away but hears....
Bob "I'm vaccinated but I don't know if I have covid or not"
Restaurant "It's of no matter. You are vaccinated so come on in"
Whatever policy I came up with would not address
unusual exceptions. One cannot expect employees
to deal with vetting multiple kinds of documents.
Some will be turned away, despite their being safe.
Life can be unfair.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Whatever policy I came up with would not address
unusual exceptions. One cannot expect employees
to deal with vetting multiple kinds of documents.
Some will be turned away, despite their being safe.
Life can be unfair.
And life can be controlled by fear and false expectations.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And life can be controlled by fear and false expectations.
It certainly can happen.
But to use such a statement to justify
ignoring danger is not reasonable.

Why fear masks?
Why fear vaccinations?
These fears are resulting in sickness & death.
Sure, sure....they'll eventually die of something,
but why have no concern to delay it?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Flagrant disregard for danger is a bad thing too.
We trained and armed 350,000 Afghan troops with state of the art weapons. In less than two weeks they laid down their given weapons and abandoned everything because of fear. How has that worked out.

My point is fear controls people. Then because of fear they blame others.
In my opinion we see this happening with covid. The ones that feared it ran to first in line to be vaccinated. Now that even herd immunity isn't likely to happen, even if 95% are vaccinated, the vaccinated blame the unvsccinated. In reality its fear that drives them so they blame someone else for something that is likely not going to happen any way even to a point they say if the unvaccinated die, I don't care.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It certainly can happen.
But to use such a statement to justify
ignoring danger is not reasonable.

Why fear masks?
Why fear vaccinations?
These fears are resulting in sickness & death.
Sure, sure....they'll eventually die of something,
but why have no concern to delay it?

I don't fear masks. I wear them.
I've had covid. I have natural antibodies.
Fear makes the vaccinated blame the unvaccinated for not achieving herd immunity when its probably not even possible even at 95% vaccinated.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We trained and armed 350,000 Afghan troops with state of the art weapons. In less than two weeks they laid down their given weapons and abandoned everything because of fear. How has that worked out.

My point is fear controls people. Then because of fear they blame others.
In my opinion we see this happening with covid. The ones that feared it ran to first in line to be vaccinated. Now that even herd immunity isn't likely to happen, even if 95% are vaccinated, the vaccinated blame the unvsccinated. In reality its fear that drives them so they blame someone else for something that is likely not going to happen any way even to a point they say if the unvaccinated die, I don't care.
I detect an attempt to gain the upper hand by arguing that
vaccination is for fearful people, whose fear prevents them
from living life to the fullest.
I got the shots cuz it seemed reasonable. No fear.
But you argue against what's reasonable.
It seems that you'd benefit from a little fear, since
self preservation seems unimportant.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't fear masks. I wear them.
I've had covid. I have natural antibodies.
Fear makes the vaccinated blame the unvaccinated for not achieving herd immunity when its probably not even possible even at 95% vaccinated.
Why accuse vaccinated people of "fear" when you wear
masks (likely for the same reason they got the shots)?
This appears highly inconsistent, & runs counter to your
many arguments that taking precautions of any kind is
ineffective.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I detect an attempt to gain the upper hand by arguing that
vaccination is for fearful people, whose fear prevents them
from living life to the fullest.
I got the shots cuz it seemed reasonable. No fear.
But you argue against what's reasonable.
It seems that you'd benefit from a little fear, since
self preservation seems unimportant.

Its not trying to get and upper hand. In my opinion most people didn't get vaccinated to save humanity, they got vaccinated our of fear to save their own arse, you included.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Its not trying to get and upper hand. In my opinion most people didn't get vaccinated to save humanity, they got vaccinated our of fear to save their own arse, you included.
I got the shots to protect myself & others I know.
You dismiss it as fear & selfishness.

About selfishness....what motivates you to discourage
people from vaccination...insulting them as fearful
& selfish? It's certainly not to help anyone else.
Nay, it actually harms others to proffer anti-vaxer
advocacy & to ridicule those of us who got the shots.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Why accuse vaccinated people of "fear" when you wear
masks (likely for the same reason they got the shots)?
This appears highly inconsistent, & runs counter to your
many arguments that taking precautions is ineffective.
You are big on assumption.
I don't wear a mask for me or fear. I wear it for my grandkids. I don't want to drag something home to them. Odds are very high they would survive anyway but I don't want to take chance that i may give it too them. No fear there being I know they will be ok regardless, but there's is always a chance.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I got the shots to protect myself & others I know.
You dismiss it as fear & selfishness.

About selfishness....what motivates you to discourage
people from vaccination...insulting them as fearful
& selfish? It's certainly not to help anyone else.
Nay, it actually harms others to proffer anti-vaxer
advocacy.

Selfishness! Really. I d8dbt say or insinuate that. Again here you go making things up in your own **mod edit** mind just like you did about war.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You are big on assumption.
I don't wear a mask for me or fear.
But you accuse others of "fear".
What makes your reason rational instead of fearful?
I wear it for my grandkids. I don't want to drag something hone to them. Odds are very high they would survive anyway but I don't want to take chance that i may give it too them. No fear there being I know they will be ok regardless, but there's is always a chance.
I suggest that you allow others to have reason & not fear
as a motive for taking precautions. Don't discourage others
from wearing masks & getting vaccinated with accusations
of fear so severe it prevents living life to the fullest.
Criminy, man, getting a couple shots in the arm for free is
no inconvenience at all.
 
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