Afghanistan's president flees the country as Taliban moves to take Kabul

[We Never Know]

#17 is dangerous rationalization for more war.
Alas, too many people buy into it, & vote for hawks
thinking that we're better off by having a huge military
that goes around the world killing people, destroying
property, killing our own people, & afflicting them with
lost limbs & damaged minds.

Im not saying its good or bad, more or less. Fact is..
If we quit producing planes, ships, guns, missiles, ammo, electronics, explosives, armor, clothes, food etc to use in wars or to sell to others countries that have wars, I would think a lot more than 12,000 jobs would be lost.

Now lost means the jobs people have now would be gone. It doesn't mean they couldn't get other jobs that could open up with that money being put elsewhere.
Also the new jobs may pay less(no longer producing for the goverment).

There are many variables.

 

[We Never Know]

It's often a dress.

By the way... I think that picture would even make Willy shudder

 

[We Never Know]

The money would be available to taxpayers to spend on other things.

A way to better understand it is to stop thinking in terms dollars.
What do you get for the massive effort put into war?
You can't live in tanks or planes. You can't eat bullets.
You get nothing useful for all that effort & raw material.
The work is wasted. And what of the people who are
killed or maimed. Those jobs are lost.

Now that your mention it, how many people are employed by helping wounded service people?
Physically, mentally, financially, etc.

 

[Revoltingest]

Im not saying its good or bad, more or less. Fact is..
If we quit producing planes, ships, guns, missiles, ammo, electronics, explosives, armor, clothes, food etc to use in wars or to sell to others countries that have wars, I would think a lot more than 12,000 jobs would be lost.

You believe that economic benefit is better if government
spends money than if taxpayers keep it, & spend it on
things they want.
Have any economic analysis to back that up?

And then, why should I pay taxes to give someone
a job to make a product that's of no value except
to attack another country?
I'd rather keep my money than have it wasted on
some government make work program that results
in death & destruction on some hapless 3rd world
country.

Now lost means the jobs people have now would be gone. It doesn't mean they couldn't get other jobs that could open up with that money being put elsewhere.
Also the new jobs may pay less(no longer producing for the goverment).

There are many variables.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now that your mention it, how many people are employed by helping wounded service people?
Physically, mentally, financially, etc.

So it's good for the economy for soldiers to get severely injured.
Hey...let's really boos the economy....we could have states go
to war with each other. With all the injuries, the economy would
blossom...all the nurses, doctors, drug manufacturers, bandage
manufacturers, etc.
And lets use tax money to burn down houses. The construction
industry would love it. Your taxes would increase greatly to
hire all these people, but it would be for a good cause, ie,
injuring soldiers.
Oh, a question....if you paid much more in taxes, would this
curb what you spend money on?

I find it hard to believe that real people actually believe such stuff.

 

[We Never Know]

You believe that economic benefit is better if government
spends money than if taxpayers keep it, & spend it on
things they want.
Have any economic analysis to back that up?

And then, why should I pay taxes to give someone
a job to make a product that's of no value except
to attack another country?
I'd rather keep my money than have it wasted on
some government make work program that results
in death & destruction on some hapless 3rd world
country.

I haven't insinuated that. However what makes you think of the government quit spending billions in wars the tax payers would get to keep it? Its not like they will lower the taxes.

 

[We Never Know]

So it's good for the economy for soldiers to get severely injured.
Hey...let's really boos the economy....we could have states go
to war with each other. With all the injuries, the economy would
blossom...all the nurses, doctors, drug manufacturers, bandage
manufacturers, etc.
And lets use tax money to burn down houses. The construction
industry would love it.

I find it hard to believe that real people actually believe such stuff.

Who the fk says its good? Saying its creates jobs, as I said doesnt mean its good or bad.
Its good they are there if needed but its bad that they will be needed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I haven't insinuated that. However what makes you think of the government quit spending billions in wars the tax payers would get to keep it? Its not like they will lower the taxes.

They might waste it on free health care or infrastructure.
But as you say, more money is to be made in war &
caring for injured soldiers.
In a way...soldiers who aren't injured are a drag on the
economy. To be truly productive, they need to be in a coma.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who the fk says its good? Saying its creates jobs, as I said doesnt mean its good or bad.
Its good they are there if needed but its bad that they will be needed.

It doesn't create jobs. It wastes money & lives.
Portraying war as an economic boon is dangerous because
there are fools out there who'll believe it, & lobby for more war.

 

[We Never Know]

So it's good for the economy for soldiers to get severely injured.
Hey...let's really boos the economy....we could have states go
to war with each other. With all the injuries, the economy would
blossom...all the nurses, doctors, drug manufacturers, bandage
manufacturers, etc.
And lets use tax money to burn down houses. The construction
industry would love it. Your taxes would increase greatly to
hire all these people, but it would be for a good cause, ie,
injuring soldiers.
Oh, a question....if you paid much more in taxes, would this
curb what you spend money on?

I find it hard to believe that real people actually believe such stuff.

Do you think I think it is good that I had to have several surgeries?
Do you think I think it is good that I needed physical therapy for near two years?
Do you think that I think its good that I have to be sometimes counseled for PTSD?
Do you think I think its good that I lost my dad, several family members, and many friends because of war

None of it is good but it does give people jobs. Get real.

Let me edit this....
Cancer isn't good but it creates jobs.
Any disease isn't good but it creates jobs.
Covid isn't good but it creates jobs

Things that are bad create jobs. Something doesn't have to be good to create jobs and that was the point.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Terrible, no seat belts!

 

[Shaul]

Terrible, no seat belts!

Why aren’t they social distancing and wearing masks?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why aren’t they social distancing and wearing masks?

Maybe Covid-19 has not been affecting Afghanistan much?

Afghanistan COVID: 152,243 Cases and 7,031 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Population in Afghanistan is 19 million people

 

[sayak83]

After 20 years, with the loss of over 2,000 americans, the loss of over 40,000 civilians, and costing over a trillion dollars....

Its all undone in a matter if weeks.

The Al Quaida network is gone. Every body in the Taliban and Alquaida associated with 9-11 either killed or dead. What reason is left for US to stay there. Let's see if the Taliban again goes for supporting terrorism in other countries. Otherwise let them have their country.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The Al Quaida network is gone. Every body in the Taliban and Alquaida associated with 9-11 either killed or dead. What reason is left for US to stay there. Let's see if the Taliban again goes for supporting terrorism in other countries. Otherwise let them have their country.

The irony is that the US had a big hand in helping in the establishment of the Taliban as a formidable fighting force in the first place, to resist the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. One could say it is a case of karma, you sow what you reap!

\https://www-pub.naz.edu/~aamghar6/History of the Taliban.htm

 

[Revoltingest]

Bottom line is wars do create jobs. I never said they create more or less.

I suppose one could say that.
But if there's a net loss compared to the
alternative, it's a misleading thing to say.

 

[Revoltingest]

If we quit producing planes, ships, guns, missiles, ammo, electronics, explosives, armor, clothes, food etc to use in wars or to sell to others countries that have wars, I would think a lot more than 12,000 jobs would be lost.

Is it necessary to use them to go to war?
Instead, just make planes, bombs, ship, missiles, etc & store
them with the intention of never using all that we have.
Sound stoopid to make things of no use?
It is.
Tax dollars utterly wasted...dollars that we taxpayers
could've used to erect buildings, pay for health care, etc.
But you say those things don't create as many jobs,
so no can do.

 

[Revoltingest]

I haven't insinuated that. However what makes you think of the government quit spending billions in wars the tax payers would get to keep it? Its not like they will lower the taxes.

If they didn't waste trillions of dollars, they could....
- Skip the tax increases.
- Give us free health care.
- Fix roads & bridges.

Of course building weapons & sending soldiers off to ****hole
countries to become maimed or dead creates more jobs than
doing useful things...so I'm told.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm thinking with that kind of speed it would suggest most in Afghanistan have been pro Taliban all along.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think I think it is good that I had to have several surgeries?
Do you think I think it is good that I needed physical therapy for near two years?
Do you think that I think its good that I have to be sometimes counseled for PTSD?
Do you think I think its good that I lost my dad, several family members, and many friends because of war

No.
But I'm not the one trumpeting the jobs created
by all these woes inflicted during wars.

None of it is good but it does give people jobs. Get real.

Get real?
Sure, those things create jobs.
But at what cost?
Government takes taxpayer money away from taxpayers
who'd spend it in useful things...or purely fun things, &
that too creates jobs. But you claim fewer jobs...without
any evidence or analysis.
Your claim gives fuel to the hawks who think war is good
for the economy, & let that take priority over morality.

Let me edit this....
Cancer isn't good but it creates jobs.
Any disease isn't good but it creates jobs.
Covid isn't good but it creates jobs

I think you're the only person in Ameristan who claims
that Covid is good for the economy.

Things that are bad create jobs. Something doesn't have to be good to create jobs and that was the point.

Bad things cost jobs.
We must compare those jobs with the alternative
of not enduring bad things.
You could shoot your neighbor's dog in the leg.
The vet would make money. Is there any real
economic benefit? No.
As someone once said...."Get real".