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Yup. Abortion worked on lowering the infant mortality rates, why should other stats be any different?Lycan said:so... since child abuse happens we should just kill 'em before they are born?
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Yup. Abortion worked on lowering the infant mortality rates, why should other stats be any different?Lycan said:so... since child abuse happens we should just kill 'em before they are born?
Fluffy said:Abortions are harmful to the health of the woman undergoing them. Now its not an extreme health risk but safer alternatives seem more sensible. They are also more expensive. Surely it is better to just buy a condom than abort every foetus you get from unprotected sex?I should have clarified. I was not referring to the health of the woman in those comments, just the fact that many fetuses would be aborted. I also was not in any way condoning having repeated abortions instead of birth control, condoms, etc. Obviously those are better and easier choices for the womans body.
Woman are abused frequently by their husbands etc. So should their fathers just kill them the day before their wedding so they can avoid their daughters from being abused? No that is not logical. People who have abortions are selfish. There are plenty of woman in healthy marriages who can not have kids. If they can not provide for them they should do the less selfish thing and find a suitable place for them.gracie said:this is true, Melody. but in the meantime, children continue to be abused, neglected, and murdered in lousey home situations all over the country. until we can find a way to seriously help these kids and give them some promise of quality of life and basic protection, we should not bar a woman who is not capable of caring for that child adequately from getting an abortion.
KateTacular said:Fluffy said:Abortions are harmful to the health of the woman undergoing them. Now its not an extreme health risk but safer alternatives seem more sensible. They are also more expensive. Surely it is better to just buy a condom than abort every foetus you get from unprotected sex?to which you can also add that condoms are also effective as anti STD's devices! - which is probably just as important as to stop the fertilization of an egg.I should have clarified. I was not referring to the health of the woman in those comments, just the fact that many fetuses would be aborted. I also was not in any way condoning having repeated abortions instead of birth control, condoms, etc. Obviously those are better and easier choices for the womans body.
Studies have also shown that the greater the number of sexual partners a woman has, the greater the rik of servical cancer later on in life.
If we accept for the moment that this is true (and I can possibly see that), is it reasonable to expect mothers to be unselfish in this particular instance?People who have abortions are selfish. There are plenty of woman in healthy marriages who can not have kids. If they can not provide for them they should do the less selfish thing and find a suitable place for them.
As a mother of a beautiful little boy and a member of a moms group I can tell you that if a train was coming and only one of us could be saved. We would save our child. I am not saying that people who have abortions should be dam-d to hell but I personally think it is wrong. The word "Personal" is a stand out point.Fluffy said:If we accept for the moment that this is true (and I can possibly see that), is it reasonable to expect mothers to be unselfish in this particular instance?
I agree with you and although I do not have children of my own I hope I would do the same. Even so, there is a difference (simply because of the social connotations attached) between your own son and a one week old foetus. I think these social views need to be changed first before any real good will come from anti-abortion laws.As a mother of a beautiful little boy and a member of a moms group I can tell you that if a train was coming and only one of us could be saved. We would save our child. I am not saying that people who have abortions should be dam-d to hell but I personally think it is wrong. The word "Personal" is a stand out point.
That's because someone else "chose" to take the baby's life so it's "oh the poor mother and helpless baby", with abortion it's the mother's "choice" to take the baby's life and then it's "the parasitic fetus has been removed". In regards to choice, different personal agendas, same outcome.When a pregnant woman is murdered they count for two.
they do, at least around were I live (IL)opensoul7 said:Women wanting a abortion should have to go through some form of education about abortion and what is medically happening when the have it done.