A Trophy Hunt

[Revoltingest]

Do you seriously think thats what i did?
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Has anyone established that the animals shot
are indeed endangered? This would depend
upon time, place, & species...not generalities.
If the hunter had a permit for the shoot, this
points to not being endangered. Moreover, the
cost of the permit might be subsidizing preservation.

 

[Revoltingest]

What's your criteria?

First, "criteria" is the plural of "criterion".
So you've a grating grammar problem to fix.
My criterion is personal reaction.
What is/are yours?

 

[Audie]

What is it yiu like to say, isnt it "educate yourself".. No trophies here
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Sigh.
I thought I would not nerd to point out the
obvious but as you insist-
Rhinos were not hunted to near extinction by
legal "trophy" hunting, but by commercial poachers, the horns used for medicine, knife
handles etc.
Same thing with elephants.
Legal hunting has zero to positive effect
on the future health of the population.

The giraffe in question had, btw, started killing
other giraffes.

I wont further try to insist you attempt a meaningful reply., but plz dont reply at all
if you wont try.

 

[Audie]

Has anyone established that the animals shot
are indeed endangered? This would depend
upon time, place, & species...not generalities.
If the hunter had a permit for the shoot, this
points to not being endangered. Moreover, the
cost of the permit might be subsidizing preservation.

The post in q was pretty mixed up.

 

[Father Heathen]

First, "criteria" is the plural of "criterion".
So you've a grating grammar problem to fix.
My criterion is personal reaction.
What is/are yours?

No fix needed, as you may have had more than one criterion other than personal reaction, which is rather vague.

Mine would be that trophy hunting in general is wanton and frivolous, inflicting death and suffering for its own sake while fulfilling no practical need.

 

[Audie]

No fix needed, as you may have had more than one criterion other than personal reaction, which is rather vague.

Mine would be that trophy hunting in general is wanton and frivolous, inflicting death and suffering for its own sake while fulfilling no practical need.

How is it different from regular old deer hunting?

 

[exchemist]

Do you find it unethical to eat a lobster
because it tastes good?

Do you find it ethical to saw the horns off rhinos in the hope of improving your sex life?

 

[Revoltingest]

No fix needed, as you may have had more than one criterion other than personal reaction, which is rather vague.

Mine would be that trophy hunting in general is wanton and frivolous, inflicting death and suffering for its own sake while fulfilling no practical need.

"Wanton" & "frivolous" are just your personal reaction.
The criticism of no practical need is the same.
Suffering is likely greater from a death in the wild.
Your judgment is just as subjective & personal as is mine.

 

[Audie]

Are you seriously attempting to compare killing endangered animals for sport to eating non-endangered animals for sustenance?

No, i am not.
The complaint was about the ethics
of sport hunting based on the persons motive.

Eating lobsters is done just for sensory gratification. Boil it alive, for pleasure.
NOT "sustenance", which you falsely introduced. Likewise the " endanged species"
bit.
There is no bright line distinction between sport and trophy hunting.
Killing endangered species is a criminal act
and quite a different topic.

If you have a meaningful comment on the
ethics of hunting, relationship of ethics and motives, let"s hear it.

 

[Audie]

Do you find it ethical to saw the horns off rhinos in the hope of improving your sex life?

As a rule asking an irrelevant question makes for a really poor excuse for a response.

Esp as nobody does what you asked about.

 

[Audie]

Has anyone established that the animals shot
are indeed endangered? This would depend
upon time, place, & species...not generalities.
If the hunter had a permit for the shoot, this
points to not being endangered. Moreover, the
cost of the permit might be subsidizing preservation.

Facts inconvenient to narrative

Giraffe killing that drew online furor was sad but justified

 

[Revoltingest]

Facts inconvenient to narrative

Giraffe killing that drew online furor was sad but justified

I wonder if her critics are willing to donate money
to help preserve those animals.
BTW, I like how some of the criticism is about
the hunter being white. Ugh...white people.

 

[exchemist]

As a rule asking an irrelevant question makes for a really poor excuse for a response.

Esp as nobody does what you asked about.

Exactly my point! cf. your irrelevant question about eating lobsters.

 

[Revoltingest]

As a rule asking an irrelevant question makes for a really poor excuse for a response.

Esp as nobody does what you asked about.

Hey, at least he's aware of the problem underlying
harvesting of rhino horns. BTW, bacon is better
& cheaper than rhino horn for sexual enhancement.
(There's a PhD thesis lurking in that research.)

 

[Father Heathen]

How is it different from regular old deer hunting?

Humans are naturally omnivorous predators, so in my opinion there is nothing wrong with hunting if the kill becomes food and there is effort to minimize waste and suffering (if anything slaughter houses tend to be more cruel).
There may be other practical reasons for culling animals as well.
Inflicting death and suffering strictly for the pleasure of it strikes me as unethical and somewhat sociopathic.

 

[Audie]

Exactly my point! cf. your irrelevant question about eating lobsters.

Not at all, if you BOTHERED to read the context.

 

[Audie]

Humans are naturally omnivorous predators, so in my opinion there is nothing wrong with hunting if the kill becomes food and there is effort to minimize waste and suffering (if anything slaughter houses tend to be more cruel).
There may be other practical reasons for culling animals as well.
Inflicting death and suffering strictly for the pleasure of it strikes me as unethical and somewhat sociopathic.

Of course sociopathic behaviour is
to be condemned.

 

[Father Heathen]

"Wanton" & "frivolous" are just your personal reaction.
The criticism of no practical need is the same.
Suffering is likely greater from a death in the wild.
Your judgment is just as subjective & personal as is mine.

What becomes of the carcasses can be objectively observed.

 

[Audie]

Hey, at least he's aware of the problem underlying
harvesting of rhino horns. BTW, bacon is better
& cheaper than rhino horn for sexual enhancement.
(There's a PhD thesis lurking in that research.)

I dont much respect just making thjngs up
to introduce as lrgit argument.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course sociopathic behaviour is
to be condemned.

Is it?
Unless the sociopath does something wrong,
it's just another way for humans to be. Not
everyone is neurotypical. Some of us are
autistic (great differences on that spectrum),
some are sociopaths, psychopaths, empathy
challenged, geniuses, slow witted, tomboys,
& weepy girly men.
All are fine in my book, so long as they don't
commit crimes or other wrongs. Hunting is
simply not a wrong IMO.