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"A California Church Was Still Meeting, So the Landlord Changed the Locks"

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Skwim, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. Skwim

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    "When your pastor insists on hold in-person church services in the midst of a pandemic, and when government mandates against large gatherings are avoided by church members, what can the community do to protect public health?

    Take a tip from the landlord of a church in central California: He changed the locks so they couldn’t meet.

    Members of the Cross Culture Christian Center in Lodi showed up for service on Sunday, only to find they couldn’t get inside the building. Their landlord, part of the Bethel Open Bible Church, blocked them a week after the San Joaquin County Health Department told the church it had to shut down. Lodi police officers even gave them a cease and desist order.


    “I’m not thrilled in general with the restriction on religious liberties,” said Jeremy Duncan, the pastor’s brother. “Especially during what is Christian’s most holy week.”

    His brother, Pastor Jon Duncan, had continued to hold in-person services despite the coronavirus outbreak.

    “We’re going to meet as often as we can meet, and we do believe that this right is protected by the 1st Amendment and should be considered essential,” Duncan said in an interview with Fox 40 last week.

    Remember: All of these churches could easily live-stream their services. Many pastors across the country are delivering sermons via Zoom or Facebook. It’s not ideal, but it works."
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    So, a restriction on religious liberties as claimed, or not?
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Regurgitating right wing propaganda since 2010
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    Damn landlords.
     
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    Preacher wants his money ... and doesn't have internet.
     
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    Normally, changing the locks of an occupying tenant is
    an extremely legally risky thing to do, with severe
    financial consequences. But in this case, I'd do it.
     
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  6. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    According to the First Amendment, if religious groups can continue to meet in large groups -- then so can any other large group for whatever reason it chooses. The Amendment speaks of the establishment and practice of religion, but also speaks of the right of assembly.

    Therefore, those pastors who make their absurd claim are making, by extension, that the government has zero right to try to protect anyone at all in the event of a pandemic.

    You know, I have the strongest possible feeling that the Framers (who knew zero about viruses) could not have had any such thing in mind.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And all you need to do is listen to those preachers...and you'll know it's all about protecting their benefice.
     
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    "Cool" is right [​IMG] If they want to be treated like a business then tax 'em like a business.

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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    YES! This!
     
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    To elaborate....
    The public health aspect overwhelms the tenant's right to use the property.
    They run the risk of increasing the infection rate, thereby endangering others.
    I suspect that a judge would very likely be sympathetic to rekeying.
    I might even avoid having to pay damages.
     
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    Even though they didn't know about viruses or bacteria, they most certainly knew about epidemics and pandemics. The Black Death had outbreaks in the early 1700's, smallpox was still a big concern, measles was a major *killer*, and many bacterial diseases we can simply cure today were the causes of epidemics prior to the last century.

    And yes, the concept of quarantine was known and accepted as a way to fight such outbreaks, even though the reason was not known.
     
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    One would think that using a building for unlawful purposes would carry some weight, even in The People's Democratic Republic of California.

    There might be more Democratic people than Republican people, but not that many more.
    Tom
     
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    lol heh.
     
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  14. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Regurgitating right wing propaganda since 2010
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    You're generally correct.
    But all hinges on which judge one gets at a trial.
    One can never be certain of the outcome.

    As one of my lawyers (what a shame that it must be plural)
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    Actually, I listen to doctors and it seems like it is about them protecting THEIR benefice, and the drug companies as the help each other ;)
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Sadly (for you) I think you might actually be serious. :tearsofjoy:
     
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    So, since the government is like a business, they should be taxed too?
     
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    That's the going statement by the multitudes :D

    WOWSER!

    According to research from The Economist Intelligence Unit as described by Deloitte, while global annual health spending reached $7.077 trillion dollars in 2015, this metric should balloon to $8.734 trillion dollars by 2020.

    The medical profession MUST be in it for the money ;) just listen to them.
     
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    FYI, even though I'd change the locks,
    I wouldn't enjoy it. I wouldn't want to
    stop anyone from their churchgoing.
    But this damn pandemic....hate it.
     
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    Yeah!!! Great idea. Tax the government and distribute the proceeds to people like you and me.

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