I hate it too!!
Not just because of the loss of lives but also as it shuts down all business, causing people to loose jobs, probably homes and, soon enough, many businesses.
Those are the shock waves!
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"A California Church Was Still Meeting, So the Landlord Changed the Locks"
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Not just because of the loss of lives but also as it shuts down all business, causing people to loose jobs, probably homes and, soon enough, many businesses.
Those are the shock waves!
And then "tax the hell out of the people" too!
Do you think current doctors are more corrupt than the preachers H E was referring to?Actually, I listen to doctors and it seems like it is about them protecting THEIR benefice, and the drug companies as the help each other
I don't.
Tom
But, nevertheless, lots of people insist on keeping the epidemic going because going to church is their right.
Tom
BOTH statements were equally asinine or equally as good.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly...
If we all quarantine ourselves for 30 days, we won't have Covid-19 anymore?
There were more than two statements going on there.
And no, the various statements aren't equal.
Tom
No.
You don't understand me correctly.
But you knew that when you made that asinine post.
Tom
disagree
Perhaps you didn't read it.
You got "quarantine for 30 days" from somewhere. But it wasn't me.
Tom
Perhaps you need to rephrase your post:
"But, nevertheless, lots of people insist on keeping the epidemic going because going to church is their right.
Tom"
It implies that if you don't get together in groups, you will be free of the epidemic.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Only to those who are ignorant of how Virii spread...
Interestingly enough, you di dnot reveal where you pulled your "30 days" from....
Just to give more berth to the 14 days since there are conflicting reports and prevent arguing over days. It wasn't meant to be the issue. The issue is the thought that separation somehow means the pandemic will stop.
And that's really what you think? That doctors and nurses just take all the money and go swim in it their money bins, like Scrooge McDuck?That's the going statement by the multitudes
WOWSER!
According to research from The Economist Intelligence Unit as described by Deloitte, while global annual health spending reached $7.077 trillion dollars in 2015, this metric should balloon to $8.734 trillion dollars by 2020.
The medical profession MUST be in it for the money
Were you aware that it costs money to build and maintain hospitals? To invent, build, buy, maintain medical equipment? To find and test new drugs and new treatments? Were you aware that all those doctors and nurses ought to have at least the same right to feed and house their families as anyone else, so they should be paid for their labour?
Don't suppose you've noticed how many pastors also like to get paid (and damned handsomely) for the very, very little good that they do, too.
Let's look at facts:
I found this to be an accurate position:
How Much Does A Pastor Make In United States?
Average pastors salary: $40,433 - which, in most of my life, was lower with many having no insurance or retirement benefits - especially in the non-denominational churches
Average nurse: Average Nurse Salaries by Degree and Career Specialty $66,000 WITH and not including benefits.
Even if we give a berth of margin of error, the statistics will always favor the nurses, doctors and the pharmaceutical industry.
So, to insinuate that pastors are in it for the money would be a gross error. Money is usually not the factor for ministry. More people would consider nursing as a viable way to MAKE money.
I don't disagree that nurses and doctors should make money. But listening to you, one would gather that those in ministry SHOULDN'T make money as your post below suggests.
Notice your bias:
1) your "damned handsomely" insinuate that doctors and nurses DON'T get paid "damned handsomely". And statistically MOST pastor don't get paid "damned handsomely". MANY do double duty... work a job and still work in the ministry. I haven't heard of a nurse or doctor doing two jobs to make ends meet.
2) "VERY LITTLE GOOD THAT THEY DO". WOW, is THAT an ignorant statement.
- Marriages have been restored
- Budgeting and practical helps to get people back on their feet
- Food or the needy
- Delivering people out of addictions
- Reaching single moms with practice helps
- Marriage and funeral ceremonies / divorce recovery
- Comfort during times of difficulty (and at all hours of the day)
- Support in so many areas of society (like public schools)
- Helps in getting people off of addictive substances
- and I could list a hundred more things
YUP! Bias on steroids. Ignorant statements to boot.
Not that you are ignorant... just that you are showing your bias.
However, I DO tip my hat off to the doctors and nurses who do work for good reasons and good hearts. No bias on my part. My brother is a nurse in Tennessee and I understand the good that they do. Respect their right to make a living too. You give the impression that those in ministry shouldn't.
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Here’s something interest, Ken: the net worth of a few American preachers:
Joyce Meyer - $8 million
T.D. Jakes - $18 million
Franklin Graham - $25 million
Rick Warren - $25 million
Billy Graham - $25 million
Creflo Dollar - $27 million
Joel Osteen - $40 million
Benny Hinn - $60 million
Pat Robertson - $100 million
Kenneth Copeland - $300 million
Tell me, how many nurses can you name with net worth anywhere close to that?
Now, what does it take, in terms of education, to become a preacher, and what to become a nurse or doctor? What’s the workload look like for each?
Did you know, you can get ordained on-line, for free, with no study whatsoever?! Try the Universal Life Church Ministries, if you don’t believe me. Trying getting a license to practice medicine or nursing – or a medical specialist that way! Like my deceased friend, Dr. Robert Buckman -- oncologist who spent a lifetime treating cancer and teaching other physicians how to support families whose loved ones were suffering from cancer. (He wrote many books, did many live broadcasts on those subjects). He died with some money, but not nearly as much as the poorest of that above list of pastors.
Marriages have been restored? Not for me, Ken -- you Christians hate the notion that I might love and wish to be loved in return, in an honest, open MARRIAGE that has lasted over 25 years. Nope -- you and your Christians have already decided what I OUGHT TO BE, and rejected WHAT I AM.
2. Budgeting and practical helps to get people back on their feet
3. Food or the needy
4. Delivering people out of addictions
5. Reaching single moms with practice helps
6. Marriage and funeral ceremonies / divorce recovery
7. Comfort during times of difficulty (and at all hours of the day)
8. Support in so many areas of society (like public schools)
9. Helps in getting people off of addictive substances
and I could list a hundred more things
And to the best of your knowledge, it's only pastors who do those things? Wow! I know of a whole lot of other groups that do the same -- and many of them do without trying to convert anybody from what the already believe to what they OUGHT to believe.
I noticed that you switched from nurses to doctors.
But maybe if you had to have a college degree or two, and perform to the standards of the medical profession, the average salary of a pastor would be a lot higher.
Tom
Funny how many of them are plastic surgeons, serving the vanity of rich Americans, or serving rich sports professionals. Or who actually made their fortunes by playing on the business end of medicine, which can't be done in places where health care is universal and single-payer.
And you ignored nurses -- why is that?
Ken, I get it. You think preaching to other people all about the only possible truth (the only one possible because it's the only one you believe) is the highest possible calling.
But what are we really talking about here? I'm talking about doctors and nurses who are putting their very lives, and the health of their families, on the line in the service of those who are ill with this horrible thing. And you are talking about people who should know better -- trying to get people together in groups and thereby quite literally putting THEIR health and THEIR lives at risk.
Congratulations, I guess -- but I think you're backing the wrong horse!