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Featured 2070 Christs glorious return

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Kemosloby, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. Little Lunch

    Little Lunch Atheist

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    Well, the only rapture I believe in now is that which was sung by Blondie.
    Man, she was a hotty back in the day.
     
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  2. e.r.m.

    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    Micah 5:2,4 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” [4] He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth.

    Matthew 2:3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. [4] When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. [5] “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written: [6] “ 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.' ”


    This was explicitly clear to them.

    2070 is not.
     
  3. Kemosloby

    Kemosloby Well-Known Member
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    Nobody expected Christ would be crucified, so I do not believe everything was explicitly clear to them. Even in hindsight some don't see it. Do you think anyone guessed Jonah in the whale was a prophecy of Christ in his tomb?
     
  4. e.r.m.

    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    Now that his messiahship has been answered, you move on to his crucifixion. Not everyone knew he'd be crucified, but John the Baptist knew he'd be sacrificed
    John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

    Not everyone saw the connection between Jonah and Jesus, but Jesus made the connection.

    Many things were not intended to be explicitly clear until later. But they were stated. The lack of clarity was not for absence of it being stated. It was due to people's on hearts. There was nothing stated about 2070 for us to look back later on, nor did the apostles ever come to any sort of clarity on 2070 either. You can't compare the two.
     
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    Tell me where anybody connected Jonah in the whale with Jesus being dead for 3 days before Jesus told them.
     
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    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    No one. That's because it was never a prophecy. Jesus made it a sign of something to come. Like, "Remember Jonah in the fish, that's what it will be like for me." Later they would be like "Hey, that was a good comparison."

    There is nothing at all foretelling 2070.
     
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    I don't think you understand the power of God very well.
     
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    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    What does God's power have to do with it? God's INTENT is more at issue here than His power?
     
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    God's power as master of fate from beginning to end, that Jonah was in the belly of the whale soley for that purpose, so that Jesus could use it as a comparison to the three days he would spend in the belly of the Earth.
     
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    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    You're assigning intent to that power. So what if God is powerful enough to do that. God is powerful enough to throw a mountain into the sea, as Jesus told the apostles, but He never did. God would have to have intended it as such. You're assuming God's intent that Jonah's stay in the fish was for the purpose of Jesus in the tomb, as you are also assuming and assigning to God that He meant 2070, which you don't know.
     
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    It's no assumption. Think about it...all the miracles have attached meanings. The feasts all have meanings, everything has a reason.
     
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    ALL the miracles have attached meanings? When Jesus healed the blind man, that had some secondary meaning to it? Or when he walked on water, or fed the five thousand?
    There are a good number of lessons to be learned from these, like teaching us to be compassionate and generous, or that Jesus was showing had the power on earth to forgive sins & is impressed by those who have faith, but some sort of attached allegory? Says who? The purpose of Jonah and the fish was to get Jonah to have a change of heart, obey God, and give the Ninevites their chance. What lengths will you go to to pass this 2070 theory of yours?
     
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    Yes, he healed the blind man because the blind man could see what the pharisees with two good eyes could not. You don't seem to see much either...
     
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    As mentioned, that is a lesson to be learned, not a prophecy, which is what you're trying to turn Jonah and the fish into. There is no prophecy precedence to support 2070.
     
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    in the books both daniel and in the revelation there are two numbers, namely
    Revelation 12: 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God hath taken refuge for her a thousand and two hundred and threescore days.
    Revelation 12:14 But the woman was given two mighty eagle's wings to flee into the wilderness to her refuge, where she was kept alive for a year and two years and a half.
    is a similar concept in Daniel?
    when calculating, it occurred to me to just calculate it this way
    1260 * 2 * 1.5 + 2000 (5780)
    Jewish calculation when the meesiah comes
     
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    The problem is you just don't understand it correctly.

    John the Baptist preached that the kingdom was at hand. The Messiah preached that the kingdom was at hand (or near). The kingdom of which he was speaking was the church. The scripture teaches that the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost, which was 50 days after the passover when he was crucified. In Acts 2:38 Peter the man with the keys to the kingdom taught them how to get into the kingdom. The Messiah had taught that you must be born again. John 3:3-5 You must be born of the water, and of the Spirit to enter the kingdom. He gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom. Peter used those keys when he preached on the day of Pentecost. Teaching the people to repent and be baptized in the name for the remission of sins. (There is the being born of the water part that the Messiah was talking about) And he told them they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (That is the being born of the Spirit part that the Messiah was talking about. )

    So some of them standing there did see the Kingdom of God come with power on the day of Pentecost. That is when the church ( the kingdom of God) was established.
     
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    He said he had all power in heaven and earth. That makes him the Almighty. Matthew 28:18
     
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    Look he said he would raise the body on the third day. He did. The first day was the day he was killed and put in the grave. The second day was the Sabbath in which he remained in the grave. The third day was the next day, and he was raised early. He did what he said he would do.
     
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    Yes, ' TrueBeliever37 ' I find Jesus had all power... and please notice at Matthew 28:18 it is because it was given (gifted) to Jesus.
    So, the question is Who gave the power to Jesus since he did Not already have it _________________
    Any thoughts regarding Ephesians 1:20 ___________________ or Philippians 2:9 _________________
     
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    Not to leave out
    The Lord Jesus Christ also said in his book of Revelation 1:8--" I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty"

    Therefore The Lord Jesus Christ professes to be the Almighty God...
     
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